Mum had sex with son

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

If both partners are consenting I don`t see that there is anything wrong with it in absolute terms. No-one is hurt, there are just two people getting it on in the privacy of their own home. At the end of the day, if two adults are consenting then the negative reactions to this incident are no different, and certainly no more valid, than similar reactions to inter-racial or homosexual relationships in past times.
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I would think that it is quite likely that at least one of the partners is also going to be in another relationship though, Father/Mother Son/Girlfriend Daughter/Boyfriend, also that there is another parent and possibly other siblings around. Whilst no physical harm or physical abuse is occurring between these consenting partners, there are many others surrounding the relationship that are likely to be hurt by it. I imagine most incestuous multi-generational relationships are conducted in secret, a bit like having an affair.

Originally Posted by orangebird

You don't see anything wrong with a mother and son having sex?????

Did I not just answer that question?

Originally Posted by orangebird

Go to a middle eastern country (Iran is a damn good example) - the argument about in-breeding holds water there. Have you actually seen a child/baby that's a result of it's mother being it's uncles sisters brothers etc etc etc. It's heartbreaking, and tantamount to abuse IMO. I don't need protecting - people who think this is OK need protecting from themselves...

I feel so much better knowing that you have my protection at heart.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Showing the general public that sexual abuse will not be tolerated is a very worthwhile way to use resources.

There was consent, therefore it was not abuse.

Originally Posted by orangebird

IMO, having sex with your mother/father/brother/sister is sick. Hence the use of words sicko, sick puppy etc. Tenuous my argument maybe, but a lot of people here seemed to agree, and I'm sticking to it. If you can't get your head around the fact that not only is it illegal,

I am aware that it is illegal, if I wasn`t then how could I argue about the waste of resources above?

Originally Posted by orangebird

but just downright wrong to shag a member of your immediate family, then it personally doesn't bode well that you have any sensible (regardless of how many big words you use... ) conclusions about anything else in life either.

Ah, such a reasoned argument you have there.

[Xaccers]

As I've said, go back 100 years or so and it was very common in Britain.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

I would think that it is quite likely that at least one of the partners is also going to be in another relationship though, Father/Mother Son/Girlfriend Daughter/Boyfriend, also that there is another parent and possibly other siblings around. Whilst no physical harm or physical abuse is occurring between these consenting partners, there are many others surrounding the relationship that are likely to be hurt by it. I imagine most incestuous multi-generational relationships are conducted in secret, a bit like having an affair.

The same however can be said for homosexual, age-gap (speaking from experience) or multi-racial (speaking from experience) relationships. Many of those are conducted behind closed doors as they too are likely to hurt others surrounding the relationship.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The same however can be said for homosexual, age-gap (speaking from experience) or multi-racial (speaking from experience) relationships. Many of those are conducted behind closed doors as they too are likely to hurt others surrounding the relationship.

Sadly yes they are, but they are legal and that does not make incest right IMHO.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Sadly yes they are, but they are legal and that does not make incest right IMHO.

But they didn't used to be legal. The arguments many people have been making against incest are identical to ones used against the relationships I mentioned.
Increased possibility of genetic defects and the potential to "groom" a child as it grows up are the only real reasons I can give to back up the illegality of incest.

Anyone care to comment on those two reasons?

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Sorry, but if you think that having sex with your mum/dad is ok, you need psychiatric help, it appears that most people are able to differentiate between right and wrong, normal and sick/twisted, you and your buddy *graham* however prefer to live outside that normality justifying such actions with your favourite word of the week "knee jerk".

Aaah, yes, many people said that if you think a black and white couple is OK, you need psychiatric help. If you think oral sex is fine, you need psychiatric help.

So what makes YOUR opinion so special?

Mind you, I think it is sick, but two things: I don't think it warrants psychiatric help, and, it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

Can you distinguish by people merely granting a right to people to do something and actually voicing an approval?


Example.

I don't smoke, and I think it is sick and filthy. BUT, I don't go around proclaiming it should be illegal to smoke.

I don't use weed, BUT, I don't go around yelling it should stay illegal. I don't condone using it, but it is someone's personal decision. NOT YOURS.


Bifta: Thank you so much for the red rep. I especially like the part where you said "but you need to lose again." Does it make you feel powerful? You know, of course, you're not supposed to rep for simple disagreements.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Aaah, yes, many people said that if you think a black and white couple is OK, you need psychiatric help. If you think oral sex is fine, you need psychiatric help.

So what makes YOUR opinion so special?

Mind you, I think it is sick, but two things: I don't think it warrants psychiatric help, and, it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

Can you distinguish by people merely granting a right to people to do something and actually voicing an approval?


Example.

I don't smoke, and I think it is sick and filthy. BUT, I don't go around proclaiming it should be illegal to smoke.

I don't use weed, BUT, I don't go around yelling it should stay illegal. I don't condone using it, but it is someone's personal decision. NOT YOURS.


Bifta: Thank you so much for the red rep. I especially like the part where you said "but you need to lose again." Does it make you feel powerful? You know, of course, you're not supposed to rep for simple disagreements.

Actually you should re-read it, perhaps properly this time, and take a look at the post that I gave you the negative rep for. I'd say it was justified and nothing to do with a simple disagreement, unlike the one you gave me yesterday.

And here you go again, making wild comparisons, today it's smoking and incest! What have you got up your sleeve for us tomorrow? I can hardly wait!

We don't think it is OUR decision, the government isn't going to listen to us, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT!

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

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Bifta: Thank you so much for the red rep. I especially like the part where you said "but you need to lose again." Does it make you feel powerful? You know, of course, you're not supposed to rep for simple disagreements.

you cheeky git , you red repped me for disagreeing

OK I recommend this topic is closed, it's getting out of hand, and every one is getting p*ssed off at each other

EDIT: Come on you lot, your supposed to be older than me, I'm acting more mature here (no offence) PLEEEEASE sort it, I don't want to feel as if I'm mature WHEN YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE

[downquark1]

I'm surprised noone's mentioned Freud yet.

I wouldn't like the thread closed, but I think anyone who is continuing circular arguements should stop. Expecially the 'but it's disgusting' and 'knee-jerk reaction'.

[Xaccers]

Increased possibility of genetic defects and the potential to "groom" a child as it grows up are the only real reasons I can give to back up the illegality of incest.

Anyone care to comment on those two reasons?

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

But they didn't used to be legal. The arguments many people have been making against incest are identical to ones used against the relationships I mentioned.
Increased possibility of genetic defects and the potential to "groom" a child as it grows up are the only real reasons I can give to back up the illegality of incest.

Anyone care to comment on those two reasons?

Genetic defects, as pointed out in this thread can equally apply to those with haemophillia, CF and other geneticalyl transmitted conditions, they are allowed to procreate, so this is a procreate with caution scenareo as Eugenics is not something we want to be promoting. Come on Jerrek - Hitler did promote this...

Grooming is the real reason this is so wrong, parent child and even sibling relationships should have an element of trust in them that means when you are told right and wrong, that is the norm. It seems the scenareo here is easier to discuss as those involved are over 16/18 however to end up in this position, the sons definitions of normal and acceptable must have been severly screwed up by his parents (and the article does indicate a history of abuse).

As a parent you are in a position of trust, sleeping with your children in this manner is an abuse of this, as a sibling (i am thinking more of a older sibling relationship here) you are also often put in the same position for periods of time, the same level of trust should apply.

I'm suprised that formerly black, formely popular, singer have not appeared in this thread yet.

[Jerrek]

Well, suppose a white child is raised by a black family, and the dad teaches the boy that it is right to date inter-racially...

We should make this illegal immediately because it is disgusting.