Mum had sex with son

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Because they can do .... ??

Yes, they can, however, is that actually a *definitive* reason?

Firstly I'd point out that whilst, yes, there is a risk of "bad genes" being re-inforced, it's *not* going to be the case that the baby is born with three heads or some such.

As I mentioned back when I started contributing to this thread, we think little of interbreeding related animals to "fix" a desired genetic trait (even if it's only black spots on a dalmatian or to get a faster race horse) and yet there are no masses of "hideous mutant animals" appearing.

Secondly, whilst we make jokes about banjos etc, the fact is that this is more the result of *repeated* inbreeding in a limited gene pool, not just a single instance of incest. As such, it doesn't really hold up the argument.

Thirdly, whilst, again, "bad genes" could be reinforced, is such a thing necessarily a good argument for preventing a couple from having a baby?

What about haemophilia, cystic fibrosis or other congenital conditions? Surely these are *more* hazardous to a potential child, but whilst I may not object to incest, you can be damned sure I'll object to Eugenics!

So, in conclusion, I don't really think that "because they can do....??" holds water as an adequate justification for banning incest.

Still, at least someone's tried to look at it logically

Originally Posted by Mick

Why would I make it my business? because its NOT acceptable for close relations to be involved in such an activity.

Again we hear that it's "not acceptable", but again we don't hear any reasons *why*!

If it is between two consenting adults and *not* for procreation (although see my post just above) *WHY* is it "not acceptable"??

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by downquark1

So you support gay marriage now?

This has provoked a very passionate response probably based on gut reaction. I've seen two reasons for illegality as to prevent genetic disturbances and to prevent sex grooming, which seem like very good reasons to me. Anyone know the length of the jail sentence possible for this offence?

Well spotted DQ, so do you now support gay marriages, or at least the rights of gay people to get married?

Oh and just a thought but were you bullied at school Jerrek?

Originally Posted by Bifta

That's where we differ then, I have at least some morals it appears, and yes, that's surprised me too.

That you feel you do have morals or that I, according to your lights, don't?

Either way (and this is of course, only my opinion!), despite what some may claim, I don't think that such things as "morals" are graven in stone anywhere. There is no "absolute right" just as there is no "absolute wrong".

Morals are "tribal beliefs" which have been been around for so long and are so taken for granted that some (too many) people mistake them for "natural laws".

I have to say that I consider this rather surprising, although pleasing.

Perhaps the example would be improved if I said that I was going to walk down the Garvachy (sp?) Road saying that Catholics and Protestants should be able to get married and have kids etc.

How many positive responses do you think I would get then?!

Yes there are, and they also turn my stomach, I can only assume that the people who are speaking out for instead of against incest do not have children and I personally I hope they never do.

See my post above for more on this subject.

[Russ]

Some interesting (and, it has to be said, some odd) opinions put forward in this entire thread but still the fact remains, a sexual relationship or encounter between mother and son (or between any 2 members of immediate family) absolutely repulses me.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Some interesting (and, it has to be said, some odd) opinions put forward in this entire thread but still the fact remains, a sexual relationship or encounter between mother and son (or between any 2 members of immediate family) absolutely repulses me.

i agree, i also find it odd how people seem to be dare i say it accepting something like this 'to be ok'

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by dellwear

Well spotted DQ, so do you now support gay marriages, or at least the rights of gay people to get married?

Gay people can get married. Find a nice girl (if you're a guy) and marry her. Equal rights.

I do also support repealing all special treatment given to married couples though. Anyone can use the words civil union, but the word marriage is reserved for one man and one woman, by definition.

Oh and just a thought but were you bullied at school Jerrek?

No. I wrestle and do some martial arts since I was 5 and know how to beat the daylights out of someone. What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Gay people can get married.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

but the word marriage is reserved for one man and one woman, by definition.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by kronas

i agree, i also find it odd how people seem to be dare i say it accepting something like this 'to be ok'

Its funny how the exact same thing was said 50 years ago, and in some parts of the world today, about inter-racial marrying. Just go down to some very conservative parts in the U.S. and ask them what they think of a white woman getting nailed by a big black guy. They think it is disgusting and repulsive.

Should we outlaw interracial marriages now because some people think it is disgusting?

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Do I have to spell it out??

GayGuy01 walks up to NiceGirl01 and asks to get married.
Priest01 performs marriage ceremony.
GayGuy01 is now married to NiceGirl01.

Any guy, gay or straight, can get married.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Any guy, gay or straight, can get married.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

but the word marriage is reserved for one man and one woman, by definition.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Any guy, gay or straight, can get married.

to quote yourself ;

Originally Posted by Jerrek

What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

Originally Posted by Graham

Again we hear that it's "not acceptable", but again we don't hear any reasons *why*!

If it is between two consenting adults and *not* for procreation (although see my post just above) *WHY* is it "not acceptable"??

Why don't you tell us why it *is* acceptable ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Why don't you tell us why it *is* acceptable ?

*pulls up a deckchair, gets comfy and awaits with baited breath

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Russ D

HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO UNDERSTAND IT?

Straight guy scenario: StraightGuy01 marries Woman01.
Gay guy scenario: GayGuy01 marries Woman02.

See? Anyone can get married. Nothing prevents a gay guy from marrying a woman. Nothing.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Why don't you tell us why it *is* acceptable ?

You are making a Burden of Proof error. It is not up to us to show it is acceptable, but up to you to show it isn't. You don't make certain acts illegal and then place the burden of proof on people to prove that it shouldn't be illegal, rather, you must justify when you blatantly revoke a person's freedoms.