Mum had sex with son

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Bifta

So who should then? Who should legislate against people that prey on minors for example?

Government. That is not morality though. The case is easy to make: minors can't consent. Adults can. Has got nothing to do with morality.

[Paul K]

I thought I heard the gentle twang of a banjo, look everyone it's our morally challenged aquaintance from Canuckland. What words of wisdom do you offer us today Jerrek?

Originally Posted by Jerrek

So what? In some parts of the world you're stoned if you commit adultary because of government legislating morality.

What has adultery got to do with a mother having sex with her son? In some parts of the world you can be punished for drinking alcohol but thats got just as little to do with this thread as your argument

Originally Posted by Jerrek

You're essentially saying that whatever the majority of the people's moral code is, is the law. Yay. Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

I do hope that you are a minority Jerrek, for the sake of the Canadian gene pool

Now let's get back to the original topic..... (ala Jerry Springer)
Incest, a family affair

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Government. That is not morality though. The case is easy to make: minors can't consent. Adults can. Has got nothing to do with morality.

Of course it has, is it morally right to molest a child? Yes or no, no waffle, no flannel, just yes or no.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Or maybe the son is infertile it is incest and whilst we can joke "Incest is best" it's not really appropriate is it.

This thread has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with incest, get back on topic.

You didn't actually address any of my points. Way to go.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

You're essentially saying that whatever the majority of the people's moral code is, is the law. Yay. Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

im sure you say things to provoke reactions....

the point of it is its wrong because the sister/brother are made up of the same genetic inheritance, ie they have genes inherited from the mother and father, they are your blood relations in that respect.

its not just about the moral aspect, as other people said its genetics, just to even think about it is sick.

and you forget the majority makes the laws.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

You didn't actually address any of my points. Way to go.

why cant you just accept that it is wrong , or is it a common thing in canada , is it something that happens and is socially acceptable over there , somehow i think not

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Paul

What has adultery got to do with a mother having sex with her son? In some parts of the world you can be punished for drinking alcohol but thats got just as little to do with this thread as your argument

What, can't you see? Do I need to spell it out?

You guys are advocating government legislating morality. Then, you fully support and condone the act of executing people for adultary in a culture where the government mandated it to be illegal and punishable by death. (The punishment is irrelevant, so don't drag this into the discussion.)

I hold the opposite view. Government should NOT legislate morality because it infringes on individual rights.

If two consenting adults have a relationship, who are YOU to say they can't?

[teeky]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

If two consenting adults have a relationship, who are YOU to say they can't?

by two consenting adults i sencerely hope you don't include a mother and a son

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by kronas

im sure you say things to provoke reactions....

the point of it is its wrong because the sister/brother are made up of the same genetic inheritance, ie they have genes inherited from the mother and father, they are your blood relations in that respect.

its not just about the moral aspect, as other people said its genetics, just to even think about it is sick.

For all purposes then, consider a homosexual relationship where there is no chance of a baby. Your argument falls flat on its face then.

And, something that is sick to YOU may not be sick to someone else. I know of plenty of things YOU may find sick but I don't, and I'm positive that there are things YOU may find cool and I find sick.

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

You guys are advocating government legislating morality.

Jerrek this argument is NOT about morality. What has gone on here is ABUSE - pure and simple.
Why can you not see that?

[teeky]

a person morally shouldn't have a homosexual relationship then
It is all about personal opinion but i am strongly against homosexuality, however i don't mind it, i just don't feel it right

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Perhaps, but what if it is a mom/daughter or dad/son relationship? Or sister/sister or brother/brother? Or what if, in a mom/son relationship the mom is over 55 and can't have kids anymore?

You have the issue that while that adult was still a child, it could have been groomed into becoming a sexual partner for the parent/grandparent.
When the sexual act takes place, it's between two consenting adults, but that could be because the offspring was brought up to be that, rather than having a free choice.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

What, can't you see? Do I need to spell it out?

You guys are advocating government legislating morality. Then, you fully support and condone the act of executing people for adultary in a culture where the government mandated it to be illegal and punishable by death. (The punishment is irrelevant, so don't drag this into the discussion.)

I hold the opposite view. Government should NOT legislate morality because it infringes on individual rights.

IIRC in cases like this, the government (in our country, and presumably the United States and Canada) often creates laws to represent the morality of the time. Therefore, in this case, morality controls the law, not the other way around.

Anyway, I haven't read any bill of rights, but I am sure that having sex with your mother is not one of them.

[Jerrek]

So when it becomes legal his free choice is suddenly gone and mind control sets in?

Um...




No.


What about brother/brother? Sister/sister?

Jerrek this argument is NOT about morality. What has gone on here is ABUSE - pure and simple.
Why can you not see that?

I'm not talking of abuse. There was no abuse. Two consenting adults.

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

What, can't you see? Do I need to spell it out?

You guys are advocating government legislating morality. Then, you fully support and condone the act of executing people for adultary in a culture where the government mandated it to be illegal and punishable by death. (The punishment is irrelevant, so don't drag this into the discussion.)

I hold the opposite view. Government should NOT legislate morality because it infringes on individual rights.

If two consenting adults have a relationship, who are YOU to say they can't?

This is nothing to do with two consenting adults having a relationship Jerrek so don't even try to drag same sex relationships into this argument.
So in your eyes its okay for a father to coerce his daughter into believing that a relationship with him is ok and therefor he should be allowed to sleep with her and maybe get her pregnant?
Years of behavioural shaping can lead to people having opinions that ordinarily they may not have had.
Cults have been able to lead their members to believe anything they say through various means for years, does that mean that the cults are right and the rest of us are wrong?
Just because this subject touches on an area that you believe in strongly for your own reasons it does not mean that you can justify what the mother did.