Michael Moore caught lying again

[andygrif]

I think like any journalistic opinion you need to listen to what Moore says, listen to what the opposite view is then use your own brains to make up your own mind. Branding Moore as a liar becuase someone disagrees with him doesn't really demonstrate independent thought to me.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Ah, but they could be lying too.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by andygrif

I think like any journalistic opinion you need to listen to what Moore says, listen to what the opposite view is then use your own brains to make up your own mind. Branding Moore as a liar becuase someone disagrees with him doesn't really demonstrate independent thought to me.

This is true. When I personally form an opinion on something, if possible, I will try and base it on two or three sources of information.

That cartoon is clearly made by someone who doesn`t have a clue. The comment quoted by Moore is merely a statement of fact, the "coalition" have invaded a country, there are people in that country who do not like this and are fighting a campaign of resistance. I fail to see what it adds to the debate other than more unecessary rhetoric.

BTW, is it appropriate to post that cartoon considering that it is not only copyrighted, but appears to have been remotely linked from the originating site?

Who is Michael Moore ?

[Mr_love_monkey]

At the end of the day MM has a point to prove, and his own agenda - same as the other people that say he lies.

Each side, will show the bits of information that they want you to see, to back up their point - same as with anyone who has a point to make - you show the bits that are relevant to your argument and ignore the bits that aren't.

As with everything in the news and on the internet, you have to take it all with a pinch of salt and make your own mind up, since no one will ever give you the full story.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by Russ D

It's amazing how rabid the yanks can get with someone who commits the oh-so-despicable act of being "anti-american".....

not at all like the welsh,english,scottish or irish then

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by darkangel

not at all like the welsh,english,scottish or irish then

Well we can say "our country (UK) sucks", and that's fine because it's true and everyone agrees.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Well we can say "our country (UK) sucks", and that's fine because it's true and everyone agrees.

grrr..want an argument do we most Brits are quite ignorant of the American people and their way of life and often misunderstand their enthusiastic devotion to their country as arrogance etc, maybe this country needs a little blind faith and love of our own country maybe the fact that we can say "this country sucks" without 99% of people saying anything is a good example of a missing sense of belonging and patriotism that we no longer have as a country and a people?

Originally Posted by darkangel

grrr..want an argument do we most Brits are quite ignorant of the American people and their way of life and often misunderstand their enthusiastic devotion to their country as arrogance etc, maybe this country needs a little blind faith and love of our own country maybe the fact that we can say "this country sucks" without 99% of people saying anything is a good example of a missing sense of belonging and patriotism that we no longer have as a country and a people?

No, we do not need any blind faith. That has nothing at all to do with patriotism.

There is no misunderstanding with regard to the USA. Despite protestations to the contrary, it is not a land of free speech, it is a land of people to scared to speak up for fear of criticism. Unfortunately they are in the minority, the rest are just incapable of thinking and seeing through the FUD that their government feeds them on a daily basis.

Patriotism has nothing to do with blindly accepting what you have and what you are told. I would argue that true patriotism could involve taking up arms against your own government under extreme circumstances.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

No, we do not need any blind faith. That has nothing at all to do with patriotism.

There is no misunderstanding with regard to the USA. Despite protestations to the contrary, it is not a land of free speech, it is a land of people to scared to speak up for fear of criticism. Unfortunately they are in the minority, the rest are just incapable of thinking and seeing through the FUD that their government feeds them on a daily basis.

Patriotism has nothing to do with blindly accepting what you have and what you are told. I would argue that true patriotism could involve taking up arms against your own government under extreme circumstances.

and u belive in what?

[Flubflow]

I like these quotes......

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles.
George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958)

You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
Malcolm X


Personally, I think the whole planet sucks.
As soon as I get a signal on my sub-etha Sens-o-matic then I'm off.

Originally Posted by darkangel

and u belive in what?

In regard to what specifically?

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

In regard to what specifically?

think where going off topic here..was think of ur political beliefs

Originally Posted by darkangel

think where going off topic here..was think of ur political beliefs

That's still a pretty broad question. I know this sounds like a fob off, but I suggest you search out some of my posts in other threads, that will give you a good idea where I come from without clogging up this thread too much.