Identity Cards

[kronas]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Any info stored that would cut out a) credit fraud b) benefit fraud c) any other kind of criminal activity that involves stolen ID's is in my mind perfectly OK.

i did not discount the rest of your post i read it and understood but the above is what i am replying to the fact is you dont know what IS stored on that card do you ?

scenario

you may have had a few stops by the police now even though you did nothing wrong there is going to be something left on that card now if you happen to be travelling along and there was a 'hit and run' with someone of a simaler car to yours they check your car and the card notice a few stopping incidents recorded

your nicked

off to the police station your questioned for hours even though you did nothing its just information to track you easier yes we may already be tracked somehow but i just dont trust governments with info

[duncant403]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Not really. If biometric info is stored on them then each set of biometric info. can be associated with one name only.
Each person can only be assoc. with their own biometric info. Unless they have eye transplants or something....
Thus, since the biometric data on the card has to match the person carrying the card then even if the name on the card is false they are stuck with that false name for ever after and can be monitered with that name.

That's fine for stopping people claiming benefits under several names as they coul only have one confirmed identity - but the government has been billing these cards as a way of determining who is entitled to received benefits, free NHS treatment, jobs, etc in the first place. To do that you have to able to actually confirm someone's identity to show they are a British citizen / taxpayer who have contributed to the cost of these services and so entitled to use them.

An illegal imigrant would have perfectly valid biometric info that could be attached to an ID card that could carry a false name.

[zoombini]

Of course they will be hackable.
"Biometric info" might sound a nice & fancy term but I'm sure that it will be reproducible.

Thumbprint, Well what if you have burnt hands & no thumb? Cant use that then.

Retinal scans... well I can definitely see shops & landlords forking out for the equipment that allows that to be checked.

The card itself WILL be hacked & false data put onto it as it will first be a challenge to the hackers & then once hacked the criminals will find out & do it.
As sure as water is wet.

All because corners will be cut, budgets will have to be met & the cheapest solution will be purchased by the government despite being told that it is not entirely safe & that there is a better one elsewhere for a bit more money.

I have no deep objection to having an ID card, as long as
1) I get to know exactly what information is on it & can review this information when I wish.

2) If it is made compulsory that I am not forced to pay for it, that the government pay for it.
Given that they hope to save billions in benefit fraud etc, you'd think that they could afford to give them away.

I for one cannot afford the £80 it would cost for me & the wife just so the government can keep track of everyone.

Big Brother will definitely be watching you in a few years time.

[Ramrod]

Thought I'd ressurect this thread to post this info:

ID cards remain a controversial issue
Plans for introducing ID cards in the UK are poorly thought out and vital details are still unclear, say MPs.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thought I'd ressurect this thread to post this info:

Unfortunately it also says "The Commons home affairs committee says ID cards should go ahead and can help fight organised crime and terrorism" which is a complete nonsense.

This has never been credibly demonstrated and should be conclusively proven *before* any such scheme should be instituted (which will never happen!)

[Theodoric]

Originally Posted by Graham

Unfortunately it also says "The Commons home affairs committee says ID cards should go ahead and can help fight organised crime and terrorism" which is a complete nonsense.

This has never been credibly demonstrated and should be conclusively proven *before* any such scheme should be instituted (which will never happen!)

I've got to admit that, if you're talking about British criminals (and The Mail and The Express notwithstanding, I'd guess that most organised crime in this country is run by British nationals), I've never been able to understand how identity cards would help. The police are perfectly well aware who most of them are; they just can't catch them at their illegal activities.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

This has never been credibly demonstrated and should be conclusively proven *before* any such scheme should be instituted (which will never happen!)

Unfortunatly, the only way that I can think of testing such a system is to implement it and see what happens.......

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Unfortunatly, the only way that I can think of testing such a system is to implement it and see what happens.......

Which (and this is something I have *very* little doubt about) is most probably what Blunkett is counting on.

"Oh, yes, this will stop crime, prevent terrorism and make the sun shine..."

(A year down the line)

"Oh, well it didn't, but we've got it now and spent so much money that there's no point in getting rid of it and we might as well keep it. And don't worry about those pesky civil liberties, you'll hardly even notice they're gone..."

[kronas]

cant we all just agree that its not going to do a damn thing expect make tracking people easier ?

[tkiely]

Originally Posted by kronas

cant we all just agree that its not going to do a damn thing expect make tracking people easier ?

NO

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by kronas

cant we all just agree that its not going to do a damn thing expect make tracking people easier ?

Ooh and add to that the satelite road charging project and tony will be sitting there in number 10 bloefeld style being able to pinpoint any person in the country (except those who organise crime, or are asylum seekers...)

[kronas]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Ooh and add to that the satelite road charging project and tony will be sitting there in number 10 bloefeld style being able to pinpoint any person in the country (except those who organise crime, or are asylum seekers...)

£1.33 per mile on main roads or is it motorways and before anyone jumps at me i know its an estimation only!!!