[Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
29-07-2004, 23:43
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The keyword here being "moderation." Heroin can be taken in moderation too, in the safety of your own home.
You are hypocritical that you want to outlaw one drug, but not the other. Why? Your argument is that it alters your state of mind and can be dangerous to others. Well, alcohol does the same thing. If you want to take that position, clearly state to me that you support banning alcohol so I can know where you stand.
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Herion is not something that is harmless in small doses, alcohol is. Also herion is already outlawed making it legal is not the way to go.
Tabacco would be ilegal if it had just been invented now, but the fact is too many people are using it making it harder for govements to ban it.
Simple fact is that you cannot say that i am hypocritical for allowing one drug and not the other. Herion is worse than achohol, drugs are diffrant and you cannnot place them under one banner. Hard drugs should be banned
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So? What is your point?
What do *I* need one for? Sporting.
Really? Since when? The manufacturers made tiny changes to the guns that were banned, so they became "unbanned." Additionally, guns in circulation are legal.
http://www.calssportingarmory.com/AssaultRifles.htm
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Either way carrying atuomatic weapons is not a good idea, You can hunt with shotguns and rifles and protect yourself with tasers/handguns
the fact remains that automatic weapons make it a lot easyer to kill lots of people and have no advantage
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29-07-2004, 23:47
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And because it is so easy, we see mass killings every day!
RUN!!!!!!!!!11111111
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29-07-2004, 23:50
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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The keyword here being "moderation." Heroin can be taken in moderation too, in the safety of your own home.
You are hypocritical that you want to outlaw one drug, but not the other. Why? Your argument is that it alters your state of mind and can be dangerous to others. Well, alcohol does the same thing. If you want to take that position, clearly state to me that you support banning alcohol so I can know where you stand.
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Nearly ANY food substance does. Chocolate and sugar especially. Again look at obecity to see where moderation fails. I am not saying ban sugar or chocolate and the liberal in me says that people should be allowed to be fat if they want to and I'm prepared to except that. However I don't think society could responsibily use Herion in moderation yet and to allow it to get carried away would destroy the country.
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29-07-2004, 23:53
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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Originally Posted by Damien
Herion is not something that is harmless in small doses, alcohol is. Also herion is already outlawed making it legal is not the way to go.
Tabacco would be ilegal if it had just been invented now, but the fact is too many people are using it making it harder for govements to ban it.
Simple fact is that you cannot say that i am hypocritical for allowing one drug and not the other. Herion is worse than achohol, drugs are diffrant and you cannnot place them under one banner. Hard drugs should be banned
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Actually heroin, in small doses, is pretty harmless.
Anyways, agree to disagree. I don't see why YOU should have anything to say over how I spend my time in my home. That involves drugs and having sex with a guy and sporting with assault weapons.
Respect my right to smoke weed, have sex with a guy, and enjoy assault rifles and I will respect your right NOT to smoke weed, NOT to have sex with a guy, and NOT to own an assault rifle.
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29-07-2004, 23:54
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
And because it is so easy, we see mass killings every day!
RUN!!!!!!!!!11111111
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Less Guns = Less People Killed
While guns dont kill people they make it a hell of a lot easyer. dont acoid the main issue with stupid comments
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29-07-2004, 23:56
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Respect my right to smoke weed, have sex with a guy, and enjoy assault rifles and I will respect your right NOT to smoke weed, NOT to have sex with a guy, and NOT to own an assault rifle.
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Fair do's, if you can respect my right to have relatively low crime rate in my country, my right not to get shot and my right to live in a society that doesn't loose rationality in favour of chemical stimulation.
PS: I don't see how sex with a guy could cause that so I guess your safe with that one
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29-07-2004, 23:57
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Actually heroin, in small doses, is pretty harmless.
Anyways, agree to disagree. I don't see why YOU should have anything to say over how I spend my time in my home. That involves drugs and having sex with a guy and sporting with assault weapons.
Respect my right to smoke weed, have sex with a guy, and enjoy assault rifles and I will respect your right NOT to smoke weed, NOT to have sex with a guy, and NOT to own an assault rifle.
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heroin is harmful even in small doeses, look it up also it is harder to control the habit than drinking
Weapons can harm the rights of other people
sigh. I am leaving this topic (although not the thread) you wont answer the questions you will just shout buzz words such as rights
If you dont understand the issues then dont try to argue them
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30-07-2004, 00:07
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Actually i am inclined to agree with Jerreck on the drug issue. In moderation, most drugs will not harm you. This is the same with Alcohol, Tabbaco etc. The problem starts when people take them too much, causing addiction which COULD lead to crime. The problem today, is that the drugs are seen in such a bad light, because no one really talks about what happens when drugs are consumed. All we get drummed in to us is drugs = bad = crime. I know people who have been addicted to heroin who have held down jobs, and lead a perfectly legal life (apart from buying it of course) the same goes with coke/pills whatever.
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30-07-2004, 00:15
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30-07-2004, 05:21
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30-07-2004, 08:49
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
A typically right wing attack on the person rather than the issue
Dont like moores movie? = attack more personally
Hate Clinton? = Just attack his personality
Support Bush? = DOnt address the issues, just attack kerry personnally
This should be a election on the issue, if the republicans cannot win a agurment purely based on the issues then dont attack kerry personnaly.
When the debate comes in october what is bush going to do? He cant use personal attacks then!
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
http://www.georgewbush.com/
Look at the two sites! Kerrys talks about all the issues and what he will do if elected. Bushs site has attack after attack on john kerry. Look at the main page, only once does kerrys site mention bush. Bushs site mentions kerry personally over 7 times!
The adverts that kerry makes talk about him and the issues. Bushs adverts are all negative
This is a typically way Bush and this party approch the election. Kerry trys to fight the election on the issues
Bush trys to fight the elections by making negitive & personnal attacks
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30-07-2004, 14:24
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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A typically right wing attack on the person rather than the issue
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Yes. I'm attacking him personally. Why? Because I don't like a man that can't make up his mind. How are we supposed to talk about the issues if he takes 4,393,483 different positions on all issues?
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Look at the two sites! Kerrys talks about all the issues and what he will do if elected. Bushs site has attack after attack on john kerry. Look at the main page, only once does kerrys site mention bush. Bushs site mentions kerry personally over 7 times!
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So? What about that? We all know where Bush sits on most issues. We see it every day. Kerry, on the other hand, we see changing positions as the weather changes. Bad.
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This is a typically way Bush and this party approch the election. Kerry trys to fight the election on the issues
Bush trys to fight the elections by making negitive & personnal attacks
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You apparently haven't seen the attack ads from the Democrats. Go to their media page and look at some of the TV commercials. Just as much bite in them as Bush's.
You are very ignorant.
And, it is hilarious to see you defend Kerry as "taking a position." OK then. Was he for the war or not?
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30-07-2004, 15:33
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yes. I'm attacking him personally. Why? Because I don't like a man that can't make up his mind. How are we supposed to talk about the issues if he takes 4,393,483 different positions on all issues?
So? What about that? We all know where Bush sits on most issues. We see it every day. Kerry, on the other hand, we see changing positions as the weather changes. Bad.
You apparently haven't seen the attack ads from the Democrats. Go to their media page and look at some of the TV commercials. Just as much bite in them as Bush's.
You are very ignorant.
And, it is hilarious to see you defend Kerry as "taking a position." OK then. Was he for the war or not?
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Just out of curiousity and totally off topic, didn't I see you on Louis meets the Nazis last night?
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30-07-2004, 18:07
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What is that? And if you think I'll ever join a National Socialist Party, you're very much mistaken.
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30-07-2004, 18:23
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Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
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What is that? And if you think I'll ever join a National Socialist Party, you're very much mistaken.
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