Euthanasia? - Page 8

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Perhaps you should go through some of your previous posts in other threads, or reps you've given people.

You're most likely confusing killing with murder. I surely have no problem killing someone who is about to kill me.

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Lovely, you're so caring that rather than give them a quick death from a lethal injection, you'll let them slowly waste away?
Do you know how awful starving to death is?
Your body starts "eating" itself.

You yourself said the person is a vegetable. He won't know. And, it won't be slowly. Going without water is lethal. He most certainly will not starve to death.

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 21:59

Lets not get into the killing/murder debate shall we

I dont think killing someone is such a bad state is murder, lbut starving them to death is the same as killing them quickly only a lot less human

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 22:01

No it is not. Unless you're willing to admit being responsible for millions of murders every year because of all the people starving to death?

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 22:03

oh yes because I must be responsible for all the millions of deaths from lack of food, its all my fault

Please make a better argument that killing someone in that state though lack of food is better than killing them quickly

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 22:06

Yes... Think of it this way. The last time you bought a movie ticket, you could have kept someone alive for 3 months. By virtue of you choosing not to feed him, by your own logic, you're then murdering people.

No I am sorry. Withholding food and water from someone is NOT the same as outright murdering them.

Stuartbe · 27-07-2004, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Yes... Think of it this way. The last time you bought a movie ticket, you could have kept someone alive for 3 months. By virtue of you choosing not to feed him, by your own logic, you're then murdering people.

No I am sorry. Withholding food and water from someone is NOT the same as outright murdering them.

How can you apply that logic ? If that was the case then by buying the pc you are using right now you have caused many people to starve to death....

Sorry - cant see that that as a sensible argument !

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Yes... Think of it this way. The last time you bought a movie ticket, you could have kept someone alive for 3 months. By virtue of you choosing not to feed him, by your own logic, you're then murdering people.

No I am sorry. Withholding food and water from someone is NOT the same as outright murdering them.

No, if you where in a prison and denyed the inmates food it would be murder.

Anyway every secound you spend here you are preventing the africans from getting help from people!

Go Jerrek! GO! Help the needy! We cant possiblely allow you to WASTE your knowalge of the world on US! Go! FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND! Teach those africans the true meaning of right-wing insantiy GO!

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Stuartbe

How can you apply that logic ? If that was the case then by buying the pc you are using right now you have caused many people to starve to death....

Sorry - cant see that that as a sensible argument !

Exactly, which is why Damien is in error when he is trying to tell me that if I let someone starve to death I'm actually committing murder.

Xaccers · 27-07-2004, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

You yourself said the person is a vegetable. He won't know. And, it won't be slowly. Going without water is lethal. He most certainly will not starve to death.

Hmm, death by dehydration, oh that's so pleasant, not.

What if someone is severely paralysed, after a stroke for instance, they could be concious, able to feel pain, but unable to move or talk.
What if all through their lives they've expressed their wishes to be killed in that situation.
Would you just let them die from dehydration?

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Exactly, which is why Damien is in error when he is trying to tell me that if I let someone starve to death I'm actually committing murder.

If you are personally responsible then you are i.e my prision example

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Damien

Anyway every secound you spend here you are preventing the africans from getting help from people!

Go Jerrek! GO! Help the needy! We cant possiblely allow you to WASTE your knowalge of the world on US! Go! FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND! Teach those africans the true meaning of right-wing insantiy GO!

You realize you're only supporting my argument by making posts such as this?

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

You realize you're only supporting my argument by making posts such as this?

No, I am just being stupid but that doesnt support your agurement

You are saying starving someone to death isnt murder and i dont see how your agurement is helped at all?

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

No, I am just being stupid but that doesnt support your agurement

You are saying starving someone to death isnt murder and i dont see how your agurement is helped at all?

dont waste your breath my mate , it aint worth it

Stuartbe · 27-07-2004, 22:40

cool it please - this is supposed to be a debate not a slagging match !

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 22:41

yeah, I think you right right paul

ilogical. It like a big ball of ilogical goo