blacks and asians more prone to being stopped

[Russ]

Not sure how to view this....on one hand you'll have people who will say that when more blacks and asians get stopped, it's obviously "racism", but if the figure fell and more whites were being stopped, you'll get people saying it's just "political correctness" and that the officers are too worried about being called racist if they seach blacks.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Not sure how to view this....on one hand you'll have people who will say that when more blacks and asians get stopped, it's obviously "racism", but if the figure fell and more whites were being stopped, you'll get people saying it's just "political correctness" and that the officers are too worried about being called racist if they seach blacks.

a no win situation i reckon

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Not sure how to view this....on one hand you'll have people who will say that when more blacks and asians get stopped, it's obviously "racism", but if the figure fell and more whites were being stopped, you'll get people saying it's just "political correctness" and that the officers are too worried about being called racist if they seach blacks.

i for one would not say that, i would welcome figures near to each other in percentage terms.

in the interests of fairness!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by kronas

i for one would not say that, i would welcome figures near to each other in percentage terms.

in the interests of fairness!

Are you talking about overall percentage, or percentage in the area that they are being stopped in.

It's a big difference.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Are you talking about overall percentage, or percentage in the area that they are being stopped in.

It's a big difference.

there is a diffarence, i expect a percentage to be higher overall in specific areas where a large amount of the black population are resident, i was talking about stats in general, but a breakdown would suffice....

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by kronas

there is a diffarence, i expect a percentage to be higher overall in specific areas where a large amount of the black population are resident, i was talking about stats in general, but a breakdown would suffice....

I bet you would be shocked by the figures in my area!

Living in a Welsh valley town I can probably count the number of Black people on one hand, and the number of Asians on the other. I do however find it slightly amusing (Perhaps not the right word) when the local paper gives descriptions of people the police are looking for that have commited crimes.

This week we have 2 Asians posing as water board officials and robbing pensioners, and 2 weeks ago we had 2 Asians holding up a bus at gunpoint to rob it on a mountain road.

I guess any Asian living or travelling in this area would expect to get stopped, after all what would be the point of stopping a white person for these crimes.

(Not being picky or racist just giving a local example)

[Mal]

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[zoombini]

Perhaps all the white people were out working at the time of the blacks being stopped?

Black/Asian poeple are more likely to get stopped just as currently Black/Asian people are more likely to be terrorists.

[mrmassive]

well they do say that 75% of the worlds terrorists live in the uk. Years ago I was in Leciester and I was refused in a shop due to the fact that i'm white. These people have the nerve to come over to this country. They take the p--s out of the state fund. They tell us what to do Like in schools. Like that girl did and lost in court thank god. Yet can we go over to their countrys and live and get state this state that. Can we go and tell them how to run their lives ect. The answer to that is no.

About 3 months ago in a job center there was 2 asians. One could speak english and the other couldn't. Both of them applied jobseekers allowance. The one who can't speak english has to have his friend with him all the time. So to get jobs an employer has to take both of them on. But as both are willing to work in this country they both get jobseekers allowance. the chances of both being employed is well you work it out.

You can be walking down a street and see some asians in their muslim clothing talking happily away planning to blow up a town centre or something like that. So if some people think it is wrong to stop asians or blacks for whatever and you think the police ect are being raciast. Then your a bigger fool than what i am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by mrmassive

well they do say that 75% of the worlds terrorists live in the uk.

Sorry? Who's this "they"? *Where* do *they* say it? Cite, please.

Years ago I was in Leciester and I was refused in a shop due to the fact that i'm white.

Years ago? How many years? Did they actually say "we're not serving you because you're white"? (Of course there's also the fact that years ago often pubs, clubs and boarding houses used to have signs up saying "no coloureds"...)

These people have the nerve to come over to this country.

Yeah, after all, it's not as if there's ex-pat Brits over in *their* countries.

They take the p--s out of the state fund.

And, of course, our government doesn't rubber stamp bogus applications because they're too stupid to listen to warnings from the people who should know better.

They tell us what to do Like in schools. Like that girl did and lost in court thank god.

Ah, so they *can't* "tell us what to do because they lost in court.

And, again, it's not like ex-pat schools make their own minds up about what they teach and how.

Yet can we go over to their countrys and live and get state this state that.

Well we can go to their countries and live, but the only reason we can't get "state this state that" is that they often don't *have* "state this or that".

Can we go and tell them how to run their lives ect. The answer to that is no.

Well actually the answer is *yes*. We've been doing it since the days of Empire! Except these days we don't use troops, we just use financial muscle.

About 3 months ago in a job center there was 2 asians. One could speak english and the other couldn't. Both of them applied jobseekers allowance. The one who can't speak english has to have his friend with him all the time. So to get jobs an employer has to take both of them on. But as both are willing to work in this country they both get jobseekers allowance. the chances of both being employed is well you work it out.

So because someone doesn't speak English, even if they're willing to work, they shouldn't get help? I'm sure there are asian businesses who would employ them and having someone being bilingual working for you can be very advantageous in a business situation, especially if you import or export goods.

You can be walking down a street and see some asians in their muslim clothing talking happily away planning to blow up a town centre or something like that.

You can? Where? When? Who? Have you reported this to the Police?

So if some people think it is wrong to stop asians or blacks for whatever and you think the police ect are being raciast. Then your a bigger fool than what i am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think that stopping asians or black *simply* because of their colour or what they are wearing, then you are, indeed, a big fool!

One of the reasons that these youths get involved with "extremists" like Abu Hamza is that they feel *alienated* in this country and your attitude and what you propose is simply going to *increase* that feeling of alienation.

We need to make these people part of *our* community, not exclude them because "they don't fit" or "they won't do it *our* way"

[mrmassive]

One of the reasons that these youths get involved with "extremists" like Abu Hamza is that they feel *alienated* in this country and your attitude and what you propose is simply going to *increase* that feeling of alienation.


If they dont like it leave .Alienation like at the postoffice today .Me and my wife was the minority. The way we was looked at was disgusting. But just cos your alienated dos'nt justify planning the murder and deaths of innocent lives


And, of course, our government doesn't rubber stamp bogus applications because they're too stupid to listen to warnings from the people who should know better.

Thats labour for you dont forget most of them are here illegally. Its mainly the asians that get there relatives ect from india over here

Well actually the answer is *yes*. We've been doing it since the days of Empire! Except these days we don't use troops, we just use financial muscle.

We don't use troops .So our troops just go on holiday?????????? How come some of them have lost their lives on vacation????????

We need to make these people part of *our* community, not exclude them because "they don't fit" or "they won't do it *our* way"

The problem with that is that the hardliners in their british communitys wont ajust.Like marriages they still arrange them. See it that way the eyes of a lass been over here for lets say 18yrs then she has to goback to india or he comes over here and she is forced by rules not of this country. The old and the new dos'nt work.

This arguement can go on for ever with me and right honourable Graham. Ther point is when they come over here get houses food clothing ect dont have to pay for shopping ec like at the supermarket except for beer wine spirits fags ect. When the government pays for empty houses for these people or the s.seekers. then there will always be problems . As for the leciester problem i had that was about 20yrs ago .The problem ended that nite. I just dont like being treated like a 5th class citizen

Originally Posted by mrmassive

If they dont like it leave .Alienation like at the postoffice today .Me and my wife was the minority.

Well, as someone just said, if you don't like it *leave*.

Oh, but it's *your* country, isn't it? Well actually for many of them it's now *their* country too!

just cos your alienated dos'nt justify planning the murder and deaths of innocent lives

I never said it did. But what should we do about it? Behave in a way that *increases* the risk of alienation and extremism? Or have an inclusive society?

And, of course, our government doesn't rubber stamp bogus applications because they're too stupid to listen to warnings from the people who should know better.

Who? Labour...?!

But seriously "most of them are here illegally"? Really? Can you provide cites to back this up?

Well actually the answer is *yes*. We've been doing it since the days of Empire! Except these days we don't use troops, we just use financial muscle.

So when you said "Can we go and tell them how to run their lives ect. The answer to that is no." you actually meant "the answer to that is yes"?

Just checking...

We need to make these people part of *our* community, not exclude them because "they don't fit" or "they won't do it *our* way"

So how do we fix that? Do we turn around and say "right, now you live in our country, you're going to have to throw away your traditions and do it *our* way"?

Hmm, that's *really* going to give us an inclusive society and will not in any way pander to the extremists!!

(Why does this remind me of Norman Tebbit saying that immigrants should support the *England* team at sporting events...?!)

Ther point is when they come over here get houses food clothing ect dont have to pay for shopping ec like at the supermarket except for beer wine spirits fags ect. When the government pays for empty houses for these people or the s.seekers. then there will always be problems .

And don't forget they're taking hard-earned money out of the pocket of British Taxpayers and stealing our jobs and destroying our communities and all the other stuff you read about in The Sun...

As for the leciester problem i had that was about 20yrs ago .The problem ended that nite.

Would you care to explain this comment???

[mrmassive]

But seriously "most of them are here illegally"? Really? Can you provide cites to back this up

rare plants and endangered wildlife about 2500 animals and 25000 plants.No way am I list that lot cos by the time i finished writeing the list they'll be extinct.

So how do we fix that? Do we turn around and say "right, now you live in our country, you're going to have to throw away your traditions and do it *our* way Maybe a little bit of give and take would'nt go a miss

But you might mean citys try england

(Why does this remind me of Norman Tebbit saying that immigrants should support the *England* team at sporting events...?!)Oh, but it's *your* country, isn't it? Well actually for many of them it's now *their* country too!. If you live in it why not support it.


Well actually the answer is *yes*. We've been doing it since the days of Empire! Except these days we don't use troops, we just use financial muscle.

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We don't use troops .So our troops just go on holiday?????????? How come some of them have lost their lives on vacation????????



So when you said "Can we go and tell them how to run their lives ect. The answer to that is no." you actually meant "the answer to that is yes"?

WEll to that one i origionally said no you stated we dont send in troops and only use financial muscle so don't twist that one

Would you care to explain this comment??? as for that one what i origionally said will have to do

Originally Posted by orangebird

Jesus, Mary and Joseph... Any excuse to call us caucasian Brits racist....

I don't mean to sound like a complete nationalist here, but if the Islamic Human Rights people don't like it, why don't they just sod off back to their Islamic country of origin......

Don`t worry, you don`t sound like a nationalist. Mod Edit (Tez) - Please do not make personal insults Has it not even occurred to you that a good number of Muslims would have actually been born over here, that the UK is their country of origin?

Mod Edit (Tez) - Please do not make personal insults

Originally Posted by mrmassive

rare plants and endangered wildlife about 2500 animals and 25000 plants.No way am I list that lot cos by the time i finished writeing the list they'll be extinct.

But you might mean citys try england

Well actually the answer is *yes*. We've been doing it since the days of Empire! Except these days we don't use troops, we just use financial muscle.

Quote:
We don't use troops .So our troops just go on holiday?????????? How come some of them have lost their lives on vacation????????

WEll to that one i origionally said no you stated we dont send in troops and only use financial muscle so don't twist that one

as for that one what i origionally said will have to do

I've tried to seperate the answers & replies - is it right?

- sorry, mrmassive, but please could you make it clearer which is the post, or part of post you are replying to - and which is the reply?