Offnet ntl ADSL BB

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Of course they wont! ntl have spent a fortune on the networks... Where's the business sense in letting people do that?

Well, loss of custom may be one. I've spent good money changing from cable to ADSL, if Ntl could provide me with a decent service at a decent price then I may consider it (not very likely but still) I would however not go back to cable (not Ntl anyway) so ADSL would be the only choice.

Not offering it to customers like me on-net but unwilling to use it again after bad experiences could cause them to loose custom.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by alexlee

Freedom are aware. They have a few tweaks to put through. Please bare with us.

*Pictures group of NTL Freedom bods walking about naked doing a little tweaking
*

Not a bad price I suppose if you make use of the £15 included calls.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by Neil

A fortune!?

Are you sure about that!?

Sorry, several billion quid doesn't qualify as a fortune for you. Man I want your wallet.

Originally Posted by Neil

The is because I already have ADSL at my address, so the exchange is most definately enabled.

Every other xDSL ISP can provide there except ntl it would seem.

So the was deserved!

Also not the case, you really don't know there are 5 kinds of ADSL, Option 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

All exchanges are enabled for options 4 and 5, some are enabled for option 3, very few are enabled for options 2 and 1.

See my signature before making summary judgements

[themelon]

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

The minimum required memory for running win2k or XP is 128mb ram- the details say that 64meg with 2k or xp will be sufficient.

Oh and i have also noticed that it does not give the requirement for hard disk space on the pc... and the ** next to the usb in the mac section is not explained.

Not a very good start IMO!

MB

Are you sure??

I have XP and 2000 running on a 64Mb machine admittedly not particulalrly well and best to disable some features.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...n/sysreqs.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;314865

for Windows 2000

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...qs/default.asp

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by themelon

Are you sure??

I have XP and 2000 running on a 64Mb machine admittedly not particulalrly well and best to disable some features.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...n/sysreqs.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;314865

for Windows 2000

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...qs/default.asp

have you tried to plug a usb modem into either of these... won't be a good connection believe me! Customers will not want to strip the o/s down to the minimum to get online... and the majority of people will also not be educated enough to do this.

[themelon]

Well Ive used a USB connected cable STB on both machines (updating windows for people I work for), its slow but it is possible and does work on XP. Windows 2K isnt bad at all really.

Generally thats down to the people who have stupidly old machines. Its not really up to ntl to tell them to get a new computer, although they probably should!!

I wouldnt do it! You wouldnt do it!! But some poor souls probably have too!! There isnt really any excuse for having less than 128Mb or even 256Mb of RAM in my eyes and I always try to persuade them that, but they wont have any of it:

Some people have the attitude 'as long as it gets me there eventually!!'

Personally I wouldnt ever use a USB Modem unless I had too! or on a temporary basis! And I wouldnt use a computer with less than 1Gb Ram and an Athlon 64 for 3400 else everything seems painful..lol

[Nemesis]

www.ntlfreedom.com

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by themelon

Well Ive used a USB connected cable STB on both machines (updating windows for people I work for), its slow but it is possible and does work on XP. Windows 2K isnt bad at all really.

Generally thats down to the people who have stupidly old machines. Its not really up to ntl to tell them to get a new computer, although they probably should!!

I wouldnt do it! You wouldnt do it!! But some poor souls probably have too!! There isnt really any excuse for having less than 128Mb or even 256Mb of RAM in my eyes and I always try to persuade them that, but they wont have any of it:

Some people have the attitude 'as long as it gets me there eventually!!'

Personally I wouldnt ever use a USB Modem unless I had too! or on a temporary basis! And I wouldnt use a computer with less than 1Gb Ram and an Athlon 64 for 3400 else everything seems painful..lol

My Old Celeron 333 with 96Mb ram and W98SE and IE6 runs quite nicely, which suprises me. I didn't really notice a performance or reliability boost when it moved from USB to NIC either. Don't use it for surfing much these days.

[JohnM]

So whats the difference between the various "options" of ADSL? Seems like ntl's offering is fairly bog standard... so why's it not available?

[Ignition]

Option 1 = BT Videostream - 2.3Mbit ultra-low contention connections.
Option 2 = Local Loop Unbundling, provider places own kit in exchange and arranges own backhaul from it.
Option 3 = Datastream, provider uses BT DSLAM but takes an ATM handoff from BT network at each exchange and terminates customer connection completely themselves.
Option 4 = BT Central, provider uses BT DSLAM and BT BRAS (broadband remote access/aggregation server) to collect together subscriber connections and pays for links from these BRAS to their own LNS/NAS or BRAS (L2TP Network Server / Network Access Server).
Option 5 = BT Central Plus, as in option 4 except BT also own the LNS/NAS and give provider a pure IP feed.