NTL customers breaking the law

[zovat]

Originally Posted by GrahamD

I wonder if NTL security look at the seller's feedback lists to see who's buying these boxes on Ebay?

Hmmmm, could be interesting if they did - but ti would not necissarily help, and any number of people on Ebay are using pseudonyms

Originally Posted by seaneeboy

who has had to deal in detail with the liable problem - I can tell you now that woudn't mean anything in court... or the press...
It's certainly never saved Popbitch or the BBC for their messageboards.

Have you got a degree in law? If so, I would be more inclined to take notice of what your saying. I do know that there are stages that need to be taken before it even gets to court. I still stand by the disclaimer and that we cannot be held liable for content posted on this site. However, if the content of the post is objectionable then, we may at our discretion remove it. But in this case, it is not objectionable, I know for a fact, that there has been cases of some 'rogue' engineers working for ntl who have been on the fiddle.

This thread has highlighted that 'some' engineers have committed an illegal act against their own employer, it however is not highlighting that ALL engineers operate like this, far from it.

[seaneeboy]

I have every confidence that you will run your forum in accordance with your own liable policy, I can clearly see my opinion on this matter is not appreciated and will not impose it upon you further. Sorry if you felt affronted by my attitude.

Originally Posted by seaneeboy

I have every confidence that you will run your forum in accordance with your own liable policy, I can clearly see my opinion on this matter is not appreciated and will not impose it upon you further. Sorry if you felt affronted by my attitude.

Did I say I did not appreciate your opinion? Sorry I don't think I did. I have for the last 24 hours researched, asked around, even asked my sister who is studying to be a lawyer. Every corner I've turned to, it seems message board owners are not the authors of the views expressed, thus cannot be held liable for the content posted. Of course any objectionable content may be removed at our discretion.

[MetaWraith]

Cudgelling the old grey matter recall cells into operation, wasnt there a case a few years ago in which Demon had to take down a webpage or remove a newsgroup posting that one of their customers put up because it liabled some Professor.


Good old google, found it
http://www.isp-planet.com/business/libel.html

Quote

"Dr. Godfrey won his case against Demon and the firm agreed to pay Godfrey £15,000 along with £250,00 0 to cover his legal fees. In the U.S., the same e-mail post would have been considered simply poor e-mail Netiquette."

Under English Law, an Internet Service Provider is not held as the publisher of defamatory material providing it satisfies two legal benchmarks. First, the ISP must prove it took reasonable care to ensure such material was not published. Second, once alerted to a problem, the ISP must take steps to resolve it.

Godfrey proved that he asked Demon to remove the message but that the ISP refused to take action. The message was eventually copied to its servers and distributed around the world in newsgroups.

That case was defamatory remarks directed at one person. We do not allow personal attacks on our members and will normally remove them before even being asked.

Originally Posted by zovat

Hmmmm, could be interesting if they did - but ti would not necissarily help, and any number of people on Ebay are using pseudonyms

but they would be providing contact details for payment

[seaneeboy]

I was refferring to cableforum being the PUBLISHERS of the information.

Mick - you didn't say you didn't appreciate my opinion, but from your tone you didn't have to. I really just want to leave this, please let me - I'm just here to be a foum member on ntl issues, not to arge with board admins. I have my own forum for that!!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by seaneeboy

I was refferring to cableforum being the PUBLISHERS of the information.

Mick - you didn't say you didn't appreciate my opinion, but from your tone you didn't have to. I really just want to leave this, please let me - I'm just here to be a foum member on ntl issues, not to arge with board admins. I have my own forum for that!!

I think we just need to know that theres rotten apples in every barrel, and denying that it is going on just fuels arguments when at least one employee has already been dismissed because of these practices.

[zovat]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I think we just need to know that theres rotten apples in every barrel, and denying that it is going on just fuels arguments when at least one employee has already been dismissed because of these practices.

It has not been denied by tis forum, it has just been pointed out that not ALL (or even IMO most) NTL ehngineers are on the fiddle.

The problem is that anything posted here that NTL feel is Libelous could cause them to attempt to sue this forum (after all - they have already closed down .com).


seaneboy : don't take it to heart, I read Micks comments and thought he was just covering his bases

Gary_580: good point - I had forgotten about that

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Pem

That case was defamatory remarks directed at one person. We do not allow personal attacks on our members and will normally remove them before even being asked.

That case would / should protect i-websolutions as host of the CF, not CF itself as owner of the content posted.

Originally Posted by mick

Disclaimer:- All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of Cable Forum, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message posted.

You should probably add i-web to such a belt and braces statement!

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by Womble

3; MAC address have no bearing as the chipped boxes have no return path.

So does that mean that say somebody could have any number of boxes and cable modems with all channels and top tier internet without ntl haveing a clue i'm paying £90+ a month and the student house round the corner could have all services free!

[Womble]

Originally Posted by darkangel

So does that mean that say somebody could have any number of boxes and cable modems with all channels and top tier internet without ntl haveing a clue i'm paying £90+ a month and the student house round the corner could have all services free!

They cant have internet, as there is no return path. But they could have all the channels for nowt, and (this is a rumour!)the boxes come loaded with £3,600 worth of credit to buy PPV movies as opposed to the £32 normally.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by darkangel

So does that mean that say somebody could have any number of boxes and cable modems with all channels and top tier internet without ntl haveing a clue i'm paying £90+ a month and the student house round the corner could have all services free!

No, it doesn't mean that at all. ntls Fraud and Investigation dept are monitoring this kind of thing all the time. The same as any other crime investigation, it takes time to gather enough evidence to prosecute. But ntl do prosecute and win.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by homealone

...I avoid clothing with little crocodiles on, etc, etc....

That's funny - I always thought you were quite a snappy dresser