NTL customers breaking the law

[seaneeboy]

Originally Posted by Mimizuku no Lew

Not allegedly. Like I said, I know someone who had a chipped box that was installed by an NTL engineer for £100.

Yes, Allegedly. You have alleged they are breaking the law and like it or not they are entitled to defend themselves in a court of law before they are guilty of this.

Innocent until proven guilty. This thread is turning particularly irrersponsible in giving engineers a chance to sue cableforum for misrepresentation.

Bangwell - you could always ring crimestoppers, they will offer a reward IF there is a conviction

[Earwig]

So how do I go about getting one of these??

Just approach one of the engineers??

LOL

Tempting eh?...............................

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by orangebird

alledgedly....

So no ntl installers/service technicians have been sacked for this sort of thing yet then?

[bangwell]

A work college was cut off from NTL services over a lost payment check. Two weeks later an Engineer came round and took the box. About a week later he recived a call from NTL saying the check had turned up and would he like to be re-connected. When he told them they would after bring back the box, they told him nobody has been sent out to retrieve it yet.



Interesting....................................... ...................................

Originally Posted by Earwig

So how do I go about getting one of these??

Just approach one of the engineers??

LOL

Tempting eh?...............................

No. Because 99.9% of all engineers who do installs, do not operate illegally. I have been aware and I am sure ntl are aware of such 'rogue' practices by a few engineers trying to make an extra few quid at ntl's expense.

Originally Posted by seeneeboy

This thread is turning particularly irrersponsible in giving engineers a chance to sue cableforum for misrepresentation.

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[seaneeboy]

Originally Posted by Mick

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Hiya,

I really don't want to be an annoyance, but I Like this forum and as an admin for another board, who has had to deal in detail with the liable problem - I can tell you now that woudn't mean anything in court... or the press...
It's certainly never saved Popbitch or the BBC for their messageboards.

Sorry, I'll leave it at that cos it's really going off topic

[darkangel]

can ntl not detect these chipped boxes then?

[LooeyUK]

Originally Posted by seaneeboy

Hiya,

I really don't want to be an annoyance, but I Like this forum and as an admin for another board, who has had to deal in detail with the liable problem - I can tell you now that woudn't mean anything in court... or the press...
It's certainly never saved Popbitch or the BBC for their messageboards.

Sorry, I'll leave it at that cos it's really going off topic

Your right. That would means absolutly nothing in court

Originally Posted by darkangel

can ntl not detect these chipped boxes then?

you would think so, wouldn't you - maybe when the harmony system properly kicks in, a full crossmatch between billed & received services will be possible?

- personally, I don't like the 'degeneration' of our society into a phase where cheap booze & tobacco, copied cd's, films, etc, are accepted as 'normal' - this is nothing more than anarchy - & unorganised anarchy is very hard to control

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by homealone

you would think so, wouldn't you - maybe when the harmony system properly kicks in, a full crossmatch between billed & received services will be possible?

- personally, I don't like the 'degeneration' of our society into a phase where cheap booze & tobacco, copied cd's, films, etc, are accepted as 'normal' - this is nothing more than anarchy - & unorganised anarchy is very hard to control

Of course I guess they could alter the MAC address in the box to make it look like an official box, I dont know much about the conditional access but satellite terminal equipment I currently work on uses very similar technology.

The MAC address is stored in memory associated with the ethernet processor, you just need to get in and change the address, it's done with a boot prom on most gear and using the RJ45. t's not my area but I know some very clever people who would be able to do that sort of thing very easily. The manufacturer of the chips usually have free development software available to download for this sort of thing so companies can develop the equipment to start with. Sometimes there is a password for access to change these settings but it will only stop the casually interested.

Just to make it clear, I have no interest in looking at this myself, just pointing out that for someone with the right skills all the information is readily available.

[Earwig]

Originally Posted by homealone

personally, I don't like the 'degeneration' of our society into a phase where cheap booze & tobacco, copied cd's, films, etc, are accepted as 'normal' - this is nothing more than anarchy - & unorganised anarchy is very hard to control

If England was not such a rip off and we did not get charged more for less than most other countries things like this would NOT be a problem. The reason things like this happen is due to a greedy government.

Look at other things......

Petrol?? Mmmm remember red deisel??

Cigerettes.......Go to france and buy thousands....it's cheaper.

Booze.....Same as Fags.

Internet......1MB for £37.99 here... £30 for 8MB in holland. (even more in sweden etc.....)

Designer clothes?? Buy abraod....america or copy?....

CD's.........cheaper abroad......


Goes on and on and on.......

If we were not charged so damn much for stuff there would be no need for people to try and save a few bob here and there.......

[Womble]

mmm interesting thread.
1; regardless of cost it doesn't make it OK to rip off services.
2; ebay is monitored by ntl security
3; MAC address have no bearing as the chipped boxes have no return path.
4; "most" chipped boxes are sold by installers, and they are contractors who are poorly paid, treated with contempt, and have no reason to show any loyalty to ntl
5; If you are "offered" a chipped box it is your duty to take his number plate/desription and either inform the police and/or ntl. The people on this forum will be the first to complain when the service is not up to scratch (and rightly so) but you have to help. I have a friend on Telewest who was experiancing very slow connections etc. It took Telewest 6 months to track the problem down, the problem turned out to be 2 chipped cable modems in the same house, both operating at 3meg and at full tilt constantly downloading films. My point is all theses dodgy boxes do affect the quality of service.
6; Every chipped box endangers the existance of ntl, therefore endagers my job and my ability to feed my children, SO REPORT THEM!
PS; Spread the Love!

Originally Posted by Earwig

If England was not such a rip off and we did not get charged more for less than most other countries things like this would NOT be a problem. The reason things like this happen is due to a greedy government.

Look at other things......

Petrol?? Mmmm remember red deisel??

Cigerettes.......Go to france and buy thousands....it's cheaper.

Booze.....Same as Fags.

Internet......1MB for £37.99 here... £30 for 8MB in holland. (even more in sweden etc.....)

Designer clothes?? Buy abraod....america or copy?....

CD's.........cheaper abroad......


Goes on and on and on.......

If we were not charged so damn much for stuff there would be no need for people to try and save a few bob here and there.......

not to disagree, because I do understand what you say, - but ......

the way to combat high prices for goods & services is not to buy them, or seek other alternatives than the 'illegal' route.

for example, in Norway booze & fags are more expensive than here, for fags, most people roll their own, which is cheaper. It's quite bizarre sitting down with a company director, who proceeds to whip out a baccy pouch & skin one up, but as I also roll my own, an ice breaker as well. Booze wise, loads of people brew their own.

- and do we need 'designer' clothes - how have we been conned into paying more for clothing which blatently advertises the manufacturer? - I try to avoid logos.

etc

My worry is that inevitably any money paid into the 'black' economy ultimately ends up in the hands of 'real' criminals - and potentially even terrorists.

So, while, as I said, I don't disagree with the points you made, personally I don't buy cheap booze & fags, I bike to work, I avoid clothing with little crocodiles on, etc, etc....

Sorry to 'go on' - I just feel that the line between right & wrong is becoming a little blurry - almost to the point where not being 'on the fiddle', in some way, is the exception, rather than the rule. Stealing TV & internet services is just one aspect of it.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Womble

mmm interesting thread.
1; regardless of cost it doesn't make it OK to rip off services.
2; ebay is monitored by ntl security
3; MAC address have no bearing as the chipped boxes have no return path.
4; "most" chipped boxes are sold by installers, and they are contractors who are poorly paid, treated with contempt, and have no reason to show any loyalty to ntl
5; If you are "offered" a chipped box it is your duty to take his number plate/desription and either inform the police and/or ntl. The people on this forum will be the first to complain when the service is not up to scratch (and rightly so) but you have to help. I have a friend on Telewest who was experiancing very slow connections etc. It took Telewest 6 months to track the problem down, the problem turned out to be 2 chipped cable modems in the same house, both operating at 3meg and at full tilt constantly downloading films. My point is all theses dodgy boxes do affect the quality of service.
6; Every chipped box endangers the existance of ntl, therefore endagers my job and my ability to feed my children, SO REPORT THEM!
PS; Spread the Love!

The guy sacked for alledged ! cable modem fraud in Wales was an ntl service technician. I certainly have reason to believe ntl employed technicians are supplying chipped boxes because a number of people have been offered them by the technician who has called to their house to deal with a fault, and not a contractor carrying out an install or simply changing a box on behalf of ntl.

There are rotten apples in every barrel at every level, its just the ones at the top a thrown out with a good payout

[GrahamD]

I wonder if NTL security look at the seller's feedback lists to see who's buying these boxes on Ebay?