[Merged]Interactive and the Red Button

[eoin.miskell]

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[quadplay]

Originally Posted by foddy

So, who do we complain to?

Foddy

Channel 4. It's their eTV app.

[ntlrocks]

you certainley do not complain because of a red dot, less than a cm in diameter..........COME ON............we've been waiting for this dot...and you want to take it away?.....someone should take you away :pp

[danielf]

Originally Posted by ntlrocks

you certainley do not complain because of a red dot, less than a cm in diameter..........COME ON............we've been waiting for this dot...and you want to take it away?.....someone should take you away :pp

No. We've been waiting for interactive. Not for a red dot that keeps appearing on the screen. I don't want to get rid of interactive. I want to get rid of the red dot...

[JonSav1]

When I've used $ky, I've found that if you press back to get rid of the red dot, it appears again after adverts etc. Yes, it's annoying, but it's just one of those things we'll all have to get used to.

Also, the red dot is used very, very little at the mo. Give it a few months, until broadcasters and advertisers realise that it now works on ntl:, and you'll have prompts for it all over the place! Imagine how many complaints will be on the board then!!!!

[jtwn]

I couldnt care less if the red dot shows up - if we are going to get a good, solid interactive then put whatever up on the screen.

You have all the channel logos on the screen but you dont complain about that?

Anyway if you can get rid of it i dont see the problem, i mean im forever turning the volume up and down so i dont see what difference it makes with that.

[foddy]

Originally Posted by jtwn

You have all the channel logos on the screen but you dont complain about that?

Now you mention it ... but the DOGs AREN'T under the control of NTL, the red dot is! If one NTL area is allowed to turn it off, why can't the rest of us?

Anyway if you can get rid of it i dont see the problem, i mean im forever turning the volume up and down so i dont see what difference it makes with that.

I watch television through a TiVo, which means the television is delayed by about a second. If the TV has been paused, it's delayed longer. I have absolutely no use for the red button at all. If I want interactive content, I'll go looking for it - I don't want it shoved in my face.

If you're watching delayed you can't use the TV or backup button to cancel the red dot. If you do, you run the risk of the the buttons doing something else (when the red dot isn't there the backup button changes channel and the TV button brings the mini guide up! These double-uses aren't exactly intuitive!)

What really ****es me off is that the red dot is nothing but an advert. Compare it to having banner-ads in the black bars on widescreen programmes (or tower adverts in the black bars on 4:3 programmes on a widescreen TV). There would be LOTS of complaints then!

But because this advert is dressed up as a "feature" people don't see it for what it is - a way of tempting us to pay ridiculous rates for content which we're already paying for.

I really do feel there's reason for complaint.

Foddy

[mdean]

Originally Posted by ntlrocks

you certainley do not complain because of a red dot, less than a cm in diameter..........COME ON............we've been waiting for this dot...and you want to take it away?.....someone should take you away :pp

Each viewer should have the choice as to whether their viewing is vandalised by a stupid red dot. I left sky to escape the dot - I do not want it . That does not mean there should be no interactive content, although most of it is rubbish- and I do not miss it. But if it is there I know which button to press, and I should be able to choose.

To complain- head here http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml

keep your insults to yourself ntlrocks

[mdean]

Originally Posted by JonSav1

Yes, it's annoying, but it's just one of those things we'll all have to get used to.

No we don't - we should make our views clear and vote with our subscriptions-
I left sky because the red dot was intollerable

[mdean]

Originally Posted by jtwn

I couldnt care less if the red dot shows up - if we are going to get a good, solid interactive then put whatever up on the screen.

You have all the channel logos on the screen but you dont complain about that?

Anyway if you can get rid of it i dont see the problem, i mean im forever turning the volume up and down so i dont see what difference it makes with that.

Oh yes we do see http://logofreetv.org. If you have to hit back after every break (six or more times an hour during a cricket match) you will soon get p1ssed off, as you will when it sits on a video

[RamJet]

Ah . . . . .


But the real question is : How Do You Get the Red Button the *Stay ON* All The Time On All Channels

. . . . . . . . . . . . . So you can access the Enhanced Content which is Out There - it's just I can't seem to get it . . . . . . .

Ramjet

[JonSav1]

At present, RamJet, the only channels which have interactive contect (in langley areas) are Channel 4/E4 and Channel ntl:. Pressing red on BBC takes you to their walled garden site.

I expect that ntl: will be in discussions with $ky about providing the Sky Sports/News services to ntl: users, and the BBCi bridge was being tested last week so there should be BBC content soon. Give it a few months and you'll be in Red Button heaven!

Personally, I can make do with pressing back or TV when I don't want to see it. Broadcasters use it as an important tool for advertising their services and, as much as people may campiegn against the use of and red button advertising, I believe it is here to stay. I actually didin't notice it on E4 until one of my house-mates said "What's that in the corner of the screen?"!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by JonSav1

At present, RamJet, the only channels which have interactive contect (in langley areas) are Channel 4/E4 and Channel ntl:. Pressing red on BBC takes you to their walled garden site.

I expect that ntl: will be in discussions with $ky about providing the Sky Sports/News services to ntl: users, and the BBCi bridge was being tested last week so there should be BBC content soon. Give it a few months and you'll be in Red Button heaven!

Personally, I can make do with pressing back or TV when I don't want to see it. Broadcasters use it as an important tool for advertising their services and, as much as people may campiegn against the use of and red button advertising, I believe it is here to stay. I actually didin't notice it on E4 until one of my house-mates said "What's that in the corner of the screen?"!

Fair point. But, like others have argued, on the Bromley platform it is possible to disable it. Why didn't NTL put such an option in CR3 seeing that it is possible to do so? (and seeing that the red dot clearly annoys some people?)

[nidave]

Isnt that being removed from the update to the bromley system?

I dontmind the red dot -at least its not big like the BB one on Sky!
Its becoming aprt of TV Life.. along with the Ads that will have interactive content!

[ntlrocks]

Originally Posted by mdean

keep your insults to yourself ntlrocks

calm down, it wasn't an insult...you blew that way out of proportion....did you not see my sarcastic smiley ...:p ? or my joking angel smiley.. ?