What is wrong with Star Trek?

The problem is that Star Trek had just become a cash cow and a cynical means of prising the fans from their money for the least amount of effort and cost.

Also all the while they produce such a tired formula is the reason that they cannot move on and produce some NEW and exciting SF.Something that has more edge to it and hasn't such a happy fluffy bunny feel good factor.One where main characters die.At least in DS9 they had one death.Pity they didn't have a few more.Even the bad guys fail to die in Star Trek.How boring is that?

Sorry about the short sentences.It's that sort of day.

Incog.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by orangebird

everything....

Tut tut, someone will be along in a min to ask you not to post like that here and go and make your own "Anti" thread

[Alanmelon]

Originally Posted by dellwear

Tut tut, someone will be along in a min to ask you not to post like that here and go and make your own "Anti" thread

Lol, not me! I knew full well we'd get at least one of those :pp

[Shaun]

If only I knew where to find that mooning smilie :pp

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by dellwear

If only I knew where to find that mooning smilie :pp

http://www.se-an.co.uk/moons.gif

be sparing with it though, just in case I overwrite it with something far more explicit

Originally Posted by dellwear

If only I knew where to find that mooning smilie :pp

If you really have to:

http://home.ripway.com/2003-2/171/moons.gif

[downquark1]

Archer's arrogance, his moodiness, the long pauses as if he's forgotten his lines.
The accents, the endless excuses for the semi-nude scenes. The 'liberal' Vulcan behaviour.

Originally Posted by downquark1

Archer's arrogance, his moodiness, the long pauses as if he's forgotten his lines.

But. My. God. Spock! At least he doesn't Say. Each. Word. as if it's Its. Own. Sentence!

Originally Posted by downquark1

Archer's arrogance, his moodiness, the long pauses as if he's forgotten his lines.
The accents, the endless excuses for the semi-nude scenes. The 'liberal' Vulcan behaviour.

like I said, i have suspended disbelief with regard to earlier 'Star Trek'

What is wrong with a captain who does have emotions, a Vulcan who has aquired them via 'drug addiction', nudity, blood on the knives? - I think Enterprise has pushed the envelope too far for the 'purists', but for me, it has been enjoyable

[TheBlueRaja]

Oh god... This will be my first and last Star Trek post as you seem to all be watching a different program or have no imagination.

Here's one for just about everyone who posted in the thread about the "timeline" and the inconsistances....

Your not looking at the big picture, and yes your looking dumb (possibly ), but here's one for you - and this may make you think what a **** you've been for not realising it - BUT...

This series, right from the start has had an alien species that has been screwing with the timeline, it has also had a person from the future serving on Enterprise, now whats to say - just for the sake of argument that the whole series is based around the idea of an alternate timeline, similar to the voyager episodes where they had the temperal cops, who went around fixing problems with timelines.

Why do you think they may have come in to being required?

Why do you think that enterprise has all the technological goodies, why are things happening differently, WHY HAS ENTERPRISE BEEN ADVERTISED WITH THE TAGLINE "Forget what you THINK you know".

Work it out peeps.

[Plonking]

Star Trek is clearly in a bit of a predicament! I agree with what has been said so far here, that the format has got tired, that the writers have run out of ideas... and it's a real shame to see one of my favourite TV shows take a turn for the worse, but they do definitely need to be a bit more edgy and interesting - just look at season 7 of TNG. Some of the best bits of sci-fi you can ever watch (all good things springs to mind...)

Nowadays, you can watch Enterprise or Voyager and watch two or three other TV shows at once. It's just become too predictable for me, and for others, as well I am sure. I was glad to hear that Enterprise would be a bit more messy and the equipment wouldn't work as well, but it's still got that squeaky-clean look that all the other series have. From what the others have said here, it offers nothing new, except confusion.

I felt the other series all had great new characters that added something to the show - Enterprise, however... you have your Vulcan, your engineer, your science guy, the captain.. all the same as before. I'd love to see a Star Trek where the captain was a *******, never did any work, never cared about what was going on, and so on! The ship could be run by the lower ranks, whilst the high-up people come along to claim the glory, but as soon as shots are fired, they run for cover! In other words, a bit more of real life and less of the utopian world that we are used to! Well... maybe!

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Originally Posted by theblueraja

Why do you think that enterprise has all the technological goodies, why are things happening differently, WHY HAS ENTERPRISE BEEN ADVERTISED WITH THE TAGLINE "Forget what you THINK you know".

Work it out peeps.

Yes, thanks, however we *have* worked it out, unfortunately we haven't fallen for the "spin" that the series producers have been pushing out to try to con the gullible into thinking they're getting something special.

Basically they realised very quickly that they'd painted themselves into a corner with everything they've already done (and contradicted), so, in typical Star Trek style they have, once again, created a Treknobabble "Get out of Jail Free" card by creating this entire Xindi/ time travel nonsense and we're most probably going to end up with "and they woke up and it was all a nasty dream" ending...!

Originally Posted by Plonking

I'd love to see a Star Trek where the captain was a *******, never did any work, never cared about what was going on, and so on! The ship could be run by the lower ranks, whilst the high-up people come along to claim the glory, but as soon as shots are fired, they run for cover! In other words, a bit more of real life and less of the utopian world that we are used to! Well... maybe!

What a *wonderful* idea! I'd love to see that show too. Unfortunately, of course, they'd never be able to make it in the Trek Universe because it would be "a betrayal of everything that Gene Roddenberry stood for" or some such nonsense...

[SOSAGES]

having watched up to the end of season 3 i can say it gets better -

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

having watched up to the end of season 3 i can say it gets better -

Is this the one that's on Sky One at the moment??