Babylon 5

dilli-theclaw · 21-05-2004, 20:50

Mod Edit (Tez): This thread contains the majority of the B5 posts from the ST:Enterprise thread, split from said thread by Pem

(there may still be the odd ST post in this & the odd B5 post in the ST:E thread though, due to the problems of trying to split a thread which was as mixed as the ST:E thread. Also, Pem has made a seperate thread for the posts about Richard Biggs' death, HERE)

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

OMG, season 5 of B5 was so crap

As Xac said, the network told JMS to tie things up in s4..but then gave him a fifth season. So s4 was v rushed in parts, & he had nothing decent left really for s5.

I think B5 peaked with season 3.

So far I've got 1 2 and 3.... (only 34 episodes left to watch

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I'm definately getting season 4. I suppose i'll end up getting season 5 - but just to have the whole set

ZrByte · 21-05-2004, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

OMG, season 5 of B5 was so crap

As Xac said, the network told JMS to tie things up in s4..but then gave him a fifth season. So s4 was v rushed in parts, & he had nothing decent left really for s5.

I think B5 peaked with season 3.

Sad really that happened, also sad that Crusade was scrapped (even though it was never as good as B5 it had its moments).
B5 was at its best from the beggining of s3 right through to the end of s4 IMO

Im just upto the episode at the moment when they have destroyed the super Omega destroyers and Ivonova is dying.

dilli-theclaw · 21-05-2004, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Every season of B5 was crap. They tried copying startrek and failed. Why do you think they dont make it anymore. nuff said

1) the didn't try to copy star trek
2) their is a new series in pre-production

like you said - nuff said.

ZrByte · 21-05-2004, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Every season of B5 was crap. They tried copying startrek and failed. Why do you think they dont make it anymore. nuff said

Actually DS9 copied B5 far more often than B5 copied anything startrek did, and other than the slight similarities that B5 and DS9 shared I would say they where very different.
Also by your logic was TOS, TNG, DS9 & Voyager crap?? coz they dont make them anymore either... nuff said

Defiant · 21-05-2004, 20:56

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

1) the didn't try to copy star trek

Haha yea right

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

2) their is a new series in pre-production

yea of course like the spin off called Excalibur. Oops no that flopped big time didn't it

Mal · 21-05-2004, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Every season of B5 was crap. They tried copying startrek and failed. Why do you think they dont make it anymore. nuff said

Sorry, got to disagree there.

It was not trying to copy ST. B5 had a couple of series long story arcs, unlike ST where things were forgotten in the next episode. It didn't solve their problems by using technobabble and (I know, cynical) not a utopian view of the future of mankind.

dilli-theclaw · 21-05-2004, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Haha yea right

yea of course like the spin off called Excalibur. Oops no that flopped big time didn't it

Laughing at me doens't mean you're right. If you honestly believe that B5 was trying to rip star trek off then you need to open your eyes a bit. Aside from both being on a space station - there are numerous differences....

Mostly it looks like Enterprise is currently trying to copy B5 - with a story arc format.

And you can't tell what the new series is like until you've seen it.

Defiant · 21-05-2004, 21:04

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Laughing at me doens't mean you're right. If you honestly believe that B5 was trying to rip star trek off then you need to open your eyes a bit. Aside from both being on a space station - there are numerous differences....

Mostly it looks like Enterprise is currently trying to copy B5 - with a story arc format.

And you can't tell what the new series is like until you've seen it.

Hmm okay then you dont wont to talk about Excalibur then well thats understandable nuff said

dilli-theclaw · 21-05-2004, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Hmm okay then you dont wont to talk about Excalibur then well thats understandable nuff said

And you don't want to mention the other points raised since your post - that's understandable - nuff said.

Xaccers · 21-05-2004, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Every season of B5 was crap. They tried copying startrek and failed. Why do you think they dont make it anymore. nuff said

JMS started writing it back in the 80's before STNG came out.
It had plot and story line and continuity, which weren't in ST so couldn't have been copied

JMS wrote it for 5 series, that's why it finished, it wasn't canned.
Bab 5 came along and showed DS9 how to really have a station based show.
Voyager also copied the shadows with the borg killing species, you know the one which Kes said were planning to wipe everything in our galaxy out, but suddenly turned out to be really nice chaps after all.

Tezcatlipoca · 21-05-2004, 21:10

Just because Excalibur flopped, doesn't mean that the original B5 was crap or a failure.

B5 was a very well made series, with a well-done over-arching story (JMS even had a "bible" for it, rather than just make it up as he went along).

But, anyway. B5 & the various Trek series each had their own plus & minus points. I like both Trek & B5, for different reasons.

dilli-theclaw · 21-05-2004, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Just because Excalibur flopped, doesn't mean that the original B5 was crap or a failure.

B5 was a very well made series, with a well-done over-arching story (JMS even had a "bible" for it, rather than just make it up as he went along).

But, anyway. B5 & the various Trek series each had their own plus & minus points. I like both Trek & B5, for different reasons.

Too right - I like both and each for their own reasons.

I do think that Enterprise will end on season 4 tho.

**Maggy** · 21-05-2004, 21:30

I think B5 was the BEST SF series EVER.It had no continuity problems either because it was written to finish in a certain time and place unlike the never ending cash cow of the ST universe.

I'm sure Excalibur would have done the same if it hadn't been pulled by yet another bunch of stupid,woolly,lame brained suits that wouldn't recognise a high class SF series if it tripped them up saying please put me on the tv. Of course if programme schedulers could actually stop switching SF programmes about it might help.As soon a show gets put into another time slot or gets shifted earlier or later it's bound to lose viewers.

Have you seen how many SF tv progs have been axed recently?Replaced by what?Bluddy Big Brother!!! and little brother,sister,cousin,aunty and uncle reality show.

Tezcatlipoca · 21-05-2004, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Of course if programme schedulers could actually stop switching SF programmes about it might help.As soon a show gets put into another time slot or gets shifted earlier or later it's bound to lose viewers.

Agh, I hate that. C4 always did that to B5

(& they & the BBC are just as bad with other things too)

ZrByte · 21-05-2004, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Just because Excalibur flopped, doesn't mean that the original B5 was crap or a failure.

B5 was a very well made series, with a well-done over-arching story (JMS even had a "bible" for it, rather than just make it up as he went along).

But, anyway. B5 & the various Trek series each had their own plus & minus points. I like both Trek & B5, for different reasons.

I could have sworn it was called cruisades (spelling??) not Excalibur, wasnt Excalibur the name of the ship?

Ive got a background book about babylon 5, quite fun to read, its interesting reading about first contact between Earth & Naans and what happened to the first three stations (I know it tells you what happened during the series but this goes into a bit more detail)