[merged] Price increase

[zovat]

Originally Posted by Pem

also
30Gb/month = £37.99 for 30Gb (assuming 1Gb per day CAP, which is rarely enforced) = £1.27 per Gb = £0.01 per Mb (or there abouts).

does that make sense ? (been a long day already)

[Chrysalis]

I worked it out based on price we pay and for traffic we get, the medium tier gets 30gig traffic for 24.99 and the top gets the same amount for 37.99. 30gig is 102kbit average out over a month.

[Mauldor]

Update to my last post - rang NTL this morning (answered in like one ring - WOW) and its set up but i dont get the reduced bill till next month (confusing this billing in advance thing). Now the question is this - will i get half price for the new prices or half price as in what im paying now? I wish i had thought of that before jumping at the offer to be honest. Though £19 a month is not bad i suppose for 3 months for 1mbit though even at this price i am thinking maybe i should have jumped ship anyhow.

Ok so the speeds are going up - but by time the speeds have gone up - my 3 months at this magic half price will be probably up. Will I stay - the short answer is no because you have to weigh up all the pro's and cons and what its costing you really.

Lets See, NTL 1.5Mbit/256 for £37.99, email dont work, news - joking right and webspace thats usefull for storing 55mb files (thats if you can delete the files on there).
Now lets addd to that cost shall we - Proper Web Space (500MB, ASP), proper email system so when i press send - hey guess what, it actually gets there. Then there is news Servers - another £10 a month.

Compare that with a ADSL providor out there - £32.99 a month for 1mbit/256 - reports sounded good. You get enough web space for a forum plus PHP, MYSQL sort of thing - so you can actually do something with it. No Restrictions as its a POWER USER Package, fixed IP and a news server that works.

So to me - the latter seems better value - no 12 months contract either, 1 month and if you leave before 12 months then you pay the connection charge - which sounds fair enough to me.

Out of intertest (soory slightly off topic), there was a Power User Survey thing way back - what ever happend with that - did we all waste our time filling that in?

[Chrysalis]

mauldor I dont disagree with you, I am staying with ntl tho but just downgrading my package, I got the sneaky feeling people are going to be moving of the top tier following recent events, NTL are gonna kick themselves when they realised they should have just raised each tier by £1.

[MallyHubz]

Im happy to get 1.5mb and pay a few quid more. If I could anything else for similar value, I would. Since I dont have a BT Phone Line.

Personally, Ive not had any e-mail problems! and since using NTLs new news server, its quite fast! Just hoping they will follow Telewest and do 2 - 3mb! w00t

[Neil]

to the site Mal.

I'm sure your knowledge will be invaluable here.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

mauldor I dont disagree with you, I am staying with ntl tho but just downgrading my package, I got the sneaky feeling people are going to be moving of the top tier following recent events, NTL are gonna kick themselves when they realised they should have just raised each tier by £1.

Chrysalis, fully agree with you.
I too have downgraded from 1 mb, but also downgraded my tv service.
So as you say, NTL will be kicking themselves when they realise that they should have increased ALL speeds by £1 per month.
Why should people taking 1mb be the only ones to face an increase? can any NTL employees who visit the site explain?
It is a bit like walking into tesco,s and picking up a 750 gramme box of cornflakes, going to the checkout, and the woman says to you, " Because you have a bigger box, we are going to charge you a fiver more for the privilege ".
NTL have no one to blame but themselves, so for the sake of writing off the £3 month, or even fairer, charging every user an extra £1, they are losing from me a damn sight more, then multiply this figure by the people who have taken the same approach, and it doesnt seem good news for a company already in the doldrums.

Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

You are getting 1.5mbps for £38 per month. Once the upgrades take place in the next couple of months. Which IMO is a !!GOOD!! deal.

Have NTL asked you if you want 1.5 mb? there again, they havent asked if you want to pay the increase in monthly premium.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

It is a bit like walking into tesco,s and picking up a 750 gramme box of cornflakes, going to the checkout, and the woman says to you, " Because you have a bigger box, we are going to charge you a fiver more for the privilege ".

That's a good analagy, normally the bigger/larger package you buy, the proportionally cheaper it gets (not with ntl though)

[Nikko]

The tone of this thread is really beginning to bug me. If we are looking for supermarket checkout analogies, then how about:

150K box = Buy one, get one free, 100% larger box for the old price.
600K box = 25% extra free for the old price.
1024K box = 50% extra free for an 8% price increase.

Someone else has already worked out the price per speed/Kb and it DOES still favour the bigger band consumer pro rata - thus the cost 'per cornflake' remains cheapest in the biggest box. So it IS the same with ntl in this comparison.

[andrew_wallasey]

Nikko, cudnt agree more.

I havnt even bothered replying to the stupidy of these posts. If you wanna make stupid comments go right ahead!

Originally Posted by Nikko

The tone of this thread is really beginning to bug me. If we are looking for supermarket checkout analogies, then how about:

150K box = Buy one, get one free, 100% larger box for the old price.
600K box = 25% extra free for the old price.
1024K box = 50% extra free for an 8% price increase.

Someone else has already worked out the price per speed/Kb and it DOES still favour the bigger band consumer pro rata - thus the cost 'per cornflake' remains cheapest in the biggest box. So it IS the same with ntl in this comparison.

Sorry Nikko, but ntl are the ones who have, unfairly, in my opinion increased the price of one level of their broadband, but to try and pacify people, they say "We will increase the speed"
Instead, why didnt they, turn to the customers and give them the choice?
Or just levy a £1 increase across the board.
If I had been a customer not taking 1mb I don't think I would be too upset over the price increase on 1mb, especially as I'd be getting more speed for the same money.
I think the supermarket analogy is a good one.
NTL are not giving you what you want, they are enforcing it, then wondering why people are turning their backs on them in droves, or cutting back on the products.

Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

Nikko, cudnt agree more.

I havnt even bothered replying to the stupidy of these posts. If you wanna make stupid comments go right ahead!

Andrew, what is stupid about it?
It is a fair point.
Why should you taking 600k have an increase in speed at no extra cost? compared to someone taking 1mb, soon to be upgraded to 1.5 mb, by the way, I wasnt asked if I wanted this, but then being charged an extra £3 for the privilege?
And the sooner NTL get off their arses and make the deal more fairer the better.
Another analogy would be that you buy a new car, a 1.6 litre model, then the dealer tells you they have to put in a 2.0 litre engine at a cost of £1000 to yourself, but people who bought a 1.0 litre model can have the engine upgraded to a 1.6 free of charge.
Get my drift?

[Nikko]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Sorry Nikko, but ntl are the ones who have, unfairly, in my opinion increased the price of one level of their broadband, but to try and pacify people, they say "We will increase the speed"
Instead, why didnt they, turn to the customers and give them the choice?
Or just levy a £1 increase across the board.
If I had been a customer not taking 1mb I don't think I would be too upset over the price increase on 1mb, especially as I'd be getting more speed for the same money.
I think the supermarket analogy is a good one.
NTL are not giving you what you want, they are enforcing it, then wondering why people are turning their backs on them in droves, or cutting back on the products.

Of course there is a choice - you have listed 2 options there! they can choose to pay a bit more and go a lot quicker - they could choose to pay a chunk less and go a bit slower, or indeed shop around.

Would an arbitary quid rise across all tiers have been a choice? Hardly.

Anyway I am not here to provoke an argument, we each have a viewpoint on it. The speeds & prices are there to be seen, and perceived values to the individual are there to be decided on.

I am content to pay less than a pound a week more to get a connection speed half as fast again, at a price/Kb that follows the more/cheaper model - each to their own!

[DeadKenny]

Just because some of you are NTL fan-boys or just on a lower tariff and pleased with your "free" upgrade, doesn't mean you can just dismiss our complaints about the price increase (on what is already a too expensive price) as "stupid"

I know people are saying "it's just £3 a month", but despite the fact we've been paying £35 a month so far, we're not made of money (and for many of us, £35 was the limit with hopes that it would drop over time!). We're well aware of what's good value for money, but just saying that by paying more we get better value is dumb when we can see that we can save a lot by paying less and getting a slightly lesser service (which in practice for many will probably not be much difference). It's like saying that buying a particular £50k car is good value for money... well that it might be, but it's far too much to pay for a car.

The reality though is the majority of the rest of the broadband world is not putting prices up but dropping prices, and the UK has some of the highest broadband prices and lowest speeds, particularly in Europe.