School helped secret abortion

Originally Posted by Incognitas

At 16 maybe.At 14 I'm dubious though kronas that a 14 year old can make such a choice without support.Support from a stranger when there are good,kind loving parents to give long term support.

Ah well what do I know about it eh? I'm only a fat 51 year old secondary teacher with 30 years teaching behind me and a mother to a 21 year old daughter and a 15 year old son.I know nowt of course.

Thank goodness you lot don't run the country....Yet!!!

She can get help from councilors

Either way there is a choice and surely the person who it will effect most should make that choice. If in later life it turns out to be a wrong choice then it would be better for that choice to have been made by the individual rather than the parents

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So you think that abusive parents should be informed so that they can beat the crap out of their daughters then?

Girls in this situation are encouraged to inform their parents, if the girl doesn't want that (and lets face it, if anyone knows whether the parents are likely to react in a bad way it's the girl) then why should the parents be informed?

But what do we know? We're just people who can see the dangers involved in informing some parents

Excuse me but if a child is being abused then social services will be able to deal with the situation.

What you are advocating is that ALL parents shouldn't be told irrespective of whether that they are good parents that WON'T necessarily force the child to do what she doesn't want to.You are also suggesting that this is something that teachers,health workers and school councilors should decide alone with no reference to anyone else?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I know a 19 year old woman.
She was raped by her boyfriend and is pregnant.
She wanted an abortion.
His and her parents have threatened her with violence and are forcing her to marry him.
If parents can do that to a 19 year old, think how easy it could be done to a 14 year old.

They CANNOT force her if she doesn't want to as a 19 year old is a legal adult.You are just getting emotive here and dragging in any old BS to support your case.However it doesn't support it at all.

Look, Children should have a option to go to in the event that they dont want to go to their parents. If the child doesn't want the parents involved then they may have a good reason.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

They CANNOT force her if she doesn't want to as a 19 year old is a legal adult.You are just getting emotive here and dragging in any old BS to support your case.However it doesn't support it at all.

Excuse me, but how dare you say this is bull****!
She is being forced into it, she has been emotionally run down and is too scared to go to the police and without her assistance they cannot help.

As for if parents are abusing children and social services dealing with it, what if it's a parent who isn't abusing the kids, but the kids know or fear that they would be seriously beaten or disowned (I'm pretty sure disowning your children isn't illegal).

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

What you are advocating is that ALL parents shouldn't be told irrespective of whether that they are good parents that WON'T necessarily force the child to do what she doesn't want to.You are also suggesting that this is something that teachers,health workers and school councilors should decide alone with no reference to anyone else?

Have you not read what I've put???
What part of "health workers will do everything in their power to get the girl to inform her parents" did you miss?
What you are advocating is exposing girls to the risk of threats and violence because MOST parents are good, but you don't seem to care that there are daughters out there who don't have good parents, they have ****ty parents who will beat them, or disown them, throwing them out on the street. Sure social services can give them a roof over their head, but they can't give them their family back.
You seem to be under the impression the abortion isn't something that the girl doesn't have a say in.
The health worker and clinic staff including the doctor explain the proceedure and have to be sure that the girl understands and definitely wants an abortion, and certain that she doesn't want her parents involved.
You seem to be suggesting the school staff drag the girl to the abortion and it's done there and then with no discussion with the girl!

I have to agree, if the parents are good then the kids will go to them anyway if not then it shouldn't be forced

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Excuse me, but how dare you say this is bull****!
She is being forced into it, she has been emotionally run down and is too scared to go to the police and without her assistance they cannot help.

As for if parents are abusing children and social services dealing with it, what if it's a parent who isn't abusing the kids, but the kids know or fear that they would be seriously beaten or disowned (I'm pretty sure disowning your children isn't illegal).

Because it is a red herring and has nothing to do with the issue we are discussing here which is about minors not adults.I'm sorry for the woman but she is an adult.

I think you are focusing on a really narrow issue here.It may be the case for a FEW children but I hope you will allow that it doesn't apply in EVERY case.Not every parent is to be excluded surely?Because that is what you would be seem to be saying.

Incog.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Because it is a red herring and has nothing to do with the issue we are discussing here which is about minors not adults.I'm sorry for the woman but she is an adult.

That's the point! She's an adult. and if an adult can be presured into not having an abortion which she wanted, and even pressured into marrying someone, then the same can be done to a 14 year old girl!

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Have you not read what I've put???
What part of "health workers will do everything in their power to get the girl to inform her parents" did you miss?
What you are advocating is exposing girls to the risk of threats and violence because MOST parents are good, but you don't seem to care that there are daughters out there who don't have good parents, they have ****ty parents who will beat them, or disown them, throwing them out on the street. Sure social services can give them a roof over their head, but they can't give them their family back.

How dare you.How do you know what I care about?

I've seen some sickening situations in my time so don't imagine you and only you understand what bad and evil parents do.NO I'm not going to tell them here.They are not mine to relate

Frankly we are just getting too emotive here so I'm going to unsubscribe now.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

How dare you.How do you know what I care about?

I've seen some sickening situations in my time so don't imagine you and only you understand what bad and evil parents do.NO I'm not going to tell them here.They are not mine to relate

Yet you still think those parents should be informed their daughter is pregnant?

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Frankly we are just getting too emotive here so I'm going to unsubscribe now.

bye

Calm down people ......

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

Look, Children should have a option to go to in the event that they dont want to go to their parents. If the child doesn't want the parents involved then they may have a good reason.

Obviously...they are children and as such are capable of making those big, weighty decisions for themselves

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yet you still think those parents should be informed their daughter is pregnant?

If she is 14yo....? YES! 16....maby....18.....no....

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

If she is 14yo....? YES! 16....maby....18.....no....

Even if that resulted in her being disowned and thrown out on the street?