Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs
Register FAQ Community Calendar

Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 22-04-2004, 09:33   #16
Bifta
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eglinton, Co. Derry
Posts: 7,640
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
but would anyone be making such a fuss if it was any of these variations?:

The lazy paddy git
Yes

Quote:
Is callng a scouser "a thieving scouser" racist or just insulting?
I didn't know scousers were a racial group.

Quote:
Whenever someone makes a derogatory remark about another they will pick on the most obvious thing about that person. In this case his colour.
O.k. so he's black, I fail to see how being black is something to be insulted over.

Quote:
I think it is the word "Nigger" that is distastful and insulting, but unfortunately Ron comes from a generation were the use of that word was more prevelant.
That's hardly an excuse, he's old enough to know better.

Quote:
But if he had said the "lazy black bast@rd" would that have been racist?
Of course it's racist.

Quote:
What I am trying to say is I don't think we cantar him with the same brush as combat 18, I don't think he is a maliceous racist he just couldn't express himself in a more PC manner.
I'd at least agree with the first part of that, and as for the older generation using the term 'nigger', I've never noticed that, in my experience they tend to err towards different phrases, a bit like the ones Warren Mitchell would use.
Bifta is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 22-04-2004, 09:40   #17
gary_580
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

i think he's timed it right so he can go sit in the sun and turn ORANGE again!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 09:58   #18
andygrif
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,820
andygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze array
andygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze arrayandygrif has a bronze array
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Aside from any racial discussions, it's plain unprofessional. I've been involved in plenty of live broadcasts over the years, and if there's one golden rule to remember...it's that if you're in front of microphone (whether you think it's live or not) you treat it as if it's live.
andygrif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 10:13   #19
Pierre
cf.mega poster
 
Pierre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: floating in the ether
Posts: 13,347
Pierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny stars
Pierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny stars
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
I didn't know scousers were a racial group.
Being a scouser myself I'd say no. But they are as much a racial group as the Welsh, Scots and Irish. They are all white european.

I personally do not think calling someone from Ireland a thick paddy is racist, in the same way if someone called be a thieving scouser I am not mortally wounded or offended. It may be insulting but it is not racist.

Quote:
O.k. so he's black, I fail to see how being black is something to be insulted over.
It's not. but people will use your appearance to express their insult. Not just a thick get- but a thick ginger get. Not just a ba$t@rd - but an "ugly" ba$t@rd, or a "big nosed" ba$t@rd, or a Black ba$t@rd.

Quote:
Quote:
But if he had said the "lazy black bast@rd" would that have been racist?


Of course it's racist.
Is it though? is calling someone a thick ginger get. Gingerist ?

or an "ugly" ba$t@rd, Uglyist

or "big nosed" ba$t@rd, noseist.

Why does it have to be racist, can it not be just an insult?

If you give a white person a job over a black person just because of their colour - now that's racism. Beating somebody up because of their colour - that's racisim.

It's a fine line. Just going up to someone in the street and calling them a black B@stard for no reason is obviously not acceptable. - and that too is racism.

But if you are involved in a discussion or argument and say a "throw away" comment/insult with no real malice behind it. Is it worth all this exposure.

I'm not condoning what he did I'm just trying to put it into context.
__________________
The wheel's still turning but the hamsters dead.
Pierre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 10:31   #20
Bifta
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eglinton, Co. Derry
Posts: 7,640
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
But if you are involved in a discussion or argument and say a "throw away" comment/insult with no real malice behind it. Is it worth all this exposure.

I'm not condoning what he did I'm just trying to put it into context.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that calling someone a lazy nigger is a "throw away" comment. Let's not start comparing a comment like that to calling someone a ginger ******, he made a racist comment, calling someone a big nosed ******* is also not racist, insulting yes, but not racist. Racism involves descriminating against people based on their race, not the size of one of their appendages (bad example) or the colour of their hair.
Bifta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 14:04   #21
Graham
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Burns
If that is what he said, he deserves everything coming. He could have just called him ****ing lazy, no need to bring the n-word out
That's why I referred to the comment as "stupid". (And I found out the wording by a quick google for news reports)

Someone else has said he could have used the word "ba$$$$d" instead, but not that long ago that word was just as offensive as the "n word" because being of illegitimate parentage could mean complete social exclusion.

It's only that ba$$$$d has now become acceptable and is considered fairly mild (English law no longer recognising the concept of ba$$$$dy) [I've just had to re-write that because even though it's a perfectly legitimate(hah!) English word, it got censored!) that he could have probably used it with impunity.

The point, however, is that he was stupid to use such a "loaded" word in a place where it could be over-heard, however from what I've seen, Atkinson has never shied away from using black players, so claims that he's actually racist are, IMO, wrong.
  Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 14:24   #22
gazzae
Inactive
 
gazzae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Belfast
Age: 46
Posts: 4,594
gazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronze
gazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronze
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

I will miss his commentary though.

No more "Jinkers" or "Fliers". No more "lollipops" or "Watching Cartoons" and of course no more of "The little ginger fellow"
gazzae is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:23   #23
gazzae
Inactive
 
gazzae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Belfast
Age: 46
Posts: 4,594
gazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronze
gazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronzegazzae is cast in bronze
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Big Ron: The Whole F***ing Transcript

Quote:
The recording runs as follows -

Ron: "What in heaven's name was f***ing Ranieri thinking in bringing Veron on?"

Second, unidentified voice: "He'll get savaged by the press.."

Ron [in an increasingly animated voice]: "Oh and f***ing rightly so.

"And I'm sorry, but I f***ing think that f***ing Desailly is a cheating f***. That was wrong."

[Noise from crowd and interference momentarily obscures Ron's voice...]

"He's f***ing been gone for two and a half years! And instead of playing like an old man and saying 'alright I'll f***ing stay where I can't get exploited'...

"I've always thought that he has no awareness of danger.

"He is what is known in some schools as a f***ing lazy thick ni**er."

[Still Ron, but now shouting]

"That is a f***ing disgusting performance.

"Full marks to them though. They were f***ing different class."
gazzae is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:28   #24
Defiant
Permanently Banned
 
Defiant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Salford(UK)
Age: 55
Posts: 976
Defiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to all
Send a message via ICQ to Defiant Send a message via AIM to Defiant Send a message via MSN to Defiant Send a message via Yahoo to Defiant
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by gary_580
apparently Atkinson said: "He's what is known in some schools as a ****ing lazy thick nigger."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...200304,00.html

but then again it is only a press report
Is this really racist though. I mean I've heard coloured people calling themselves nigger. Is it okay that they call it themself
Defiant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:30   #25
kronas
Inactive
 
kronas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: heckmondwike
Age: 40
Posts: 10,767
kronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronze
kronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronze
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiant
Is this really racist though. I mean I've heard coloured people calling themselves nigger. Is it okay that they call it themself

oh come on, many people have used it as a derogitery term for years, were talking back to the days of white supremacy, your telling me its right to call someone that..... not in my book.......
kronas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:34   #26
Defiant
Permanently Banned
 
Defiant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Salford(UK)
Age: 55
Posts: 976
Defiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to allDefiant is a name known to all
Send a message via ICQ to Defiant Send a message via AIM to Defiant Send a message via MSN to Defiant Send a message via Yahoo to Defiant
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
oh come on, many people have used it as a derogitery term for years, were talking back to the days of white supremacy, your telling me its right to call someone that..... not in my book.......
Er did I say it was right


I pointed out I have heard coloured people calling it themselve's with mates like hey nigger etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has heard colour people say this either so READ before jumping the gun please
Defiant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:35   #27
paulyoung666
Permanently Banned
 
paulyoung666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: norton , teesside
Age: 58
Posts: 10,571
paulyoung666 has a nice shiny star
paulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny star
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

thinks back to pulp fiction when the dark coloured person says to the light coloured person , 'hey my nigger' , ok so he shouldnt have said it , but ............ , would as much of a fuss been made if he said something about a white player
paulyoung666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:39   #28
kronas
Inactive
 
kronas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: heckmondwike
Age: 40
Posts: 10,767
kronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronze
kronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronzekronas is cast in bronze
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiant
Er did I say it was right
no but it looked like you were looking to justify his comments...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiant
I pointed out I have heard coloured people calling it themselve's with mates like hey nigger etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has heard colour people say this either so READ before jumping the gun please
and if i ever heard someone call me that i would kick off, im not prepared to be insulted by the usage of that word whether it be 'passive' or not......

at the end of it all, atkinson HAD to go, no commentator or media representative is allowed to be racist......
kronas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:42   #29
Neil
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,058
Neil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze array
Neil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze array
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Ok-bear with me on this one......

I am a fan of Actor/Rapper 'Ice Cube'. He is the lead in a lot of what I would call 'black' films-Friday/Barbershop/All About The Benjamins etc.

The rhetoric in these films is mainly between black guys, & they constantly refer to each other as 'nigger', as in 'yo nigger-how's it going?'

If you think back a couple of years ago to Denzil Washington's character in 'Training Day', he regularly referred to Ethan Hawke's character as 'My nigger'.......

It does seem a bit strange that there is almost a culture these days of black guys/girls referring to each other as 'nigga'

What's also strange, is that sometimes when they use the 'N' word it's in a derogatory fashion, & sometimes it's complimentary.
Neil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-04-2004, 18:45   #30
Neil
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,058
Neil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze array
Neil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze arrayNeil has a bronze array
Re: Atkinson resigns after making a racist comment

Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
and if i ever heard someone call me that i would kick off, im not prepared to be insulted by the usage of that word whether it be 'passive' or not......
What if it was a friend of yours doing a Denzil Washington impression, a la 'Training Day'?

Quote:
at the end of it all, atkinson HAD to go, no commentator or media representative is allowed to be racist......
Absolutely, but I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Neil is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 23:44.


Server: lithium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum