[merged] Price increase

[Ramrod]

The Register

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

The Register

We don't need The Register to confirm ntl's price hikes-we gave you the details yonks ago!!

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

The Register

It was posted on ISPr over a week ago with the redundancies..

[orangebird]

ntl confirmed the price changes themselves on the 7th anyway!!!! - wakey wakey people!!!!!

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by andygrif

Analogue subscribers - prices held, which is crazy becuase they receive some of the Sky channels too, and they should be encouraging customers to move to Digital. Muppetry!

Well we get a lot less channels and it is a bit unfair if digital isnt an option so the price freeze was fair in my opinion.

Orangebird I dont remember seeing the full list of price changes anywhere on the 7th? so I think this list is quite useful to a lot of people, 3 weeks ago I had the impression 1mbit internet was going up along with analogue tv and only half of it turned out to be right.

[MovedGoalPosts]

So are ntl in danger of becoming uncompetetive, with their BB charges, so that their cash cow falters?

Ntl 150k broadband = £17.99
Tiscali 150k = £15.99
today Pipex launch 150k @ £15.99

The 1meg service increase also prices ntl out of that market.

Yes I know that for most ADSL services you have to pay the quarterly phone rental charge, but most BT based customers are doing that anyway for their normal phone use? I know ntl provide a modem, ADSL customers might have to buy one. But the average punter just sees the monthly headline figure.

For new customers, in an ADSL area, I know what I'd be choosing, and that's bad news for ntl and ultiimately the customer. Fewer ntl signups and customer churn will result in less not more revenue, meaning less money to invest and less profits so a deteriorating service.

Ntl, being in total control of their own network should be abe to provide services cheaper than the BT based system, where all so many different organisations each need their slice of the action - BT wholesale, the ISP, etc. NTL should be able to undercut this competition, even where BT is being forced by ofcom to keep it's prices down. ntl aren't competetive, why not?

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

So are ntl in danger of becoming uncompetetive, with their BB charges, so that their cash cow falters?

Ntl 150k broadband = £17.99
Tiscali 150k = £15.99
today Pipex launch 150k @ £15.99

The 1meg service increase also prices ntl out of that market.

Yes I know that for most ADSL services you have to pay the quarterly phone rental charge, but most BT based customers are doing that anyway for their normal phone use?

NTL TV customers also pay for there phoneline rentel

Still they ask people to pay them more than the competition

[td444]

Ntl, being in total control of their own network should be abe to provide services cheaper than the BT based system, where all so many different organisations each need their slice of the action - BT wholesale, the ISP, etc. NTL should be able to undercut this competition, even where BT is being forced by ofcom to keep it's prices down. ntl aren't competetive, why not?

Because they can. If you can undercut your competitor by just 5-10% and still subscribe your region pretty well, I dont see why they should reduce costs

....unless most people who are out of an 12months agreement start to walk out suddenly, but for that to happen, there needs to be alternatives. Some people simply dont have that choice.

[NitroNutter]

Heard a rumour that 1 Meg NTL service is getting a £3 monthly hike which is huge about 9%.
if its true what was the strategy here, take up failed miserabley so drop it to attract more then hike it.

adsl has several providers doing 2Meg unrestricted for £35 so how can this new NTL move be competetive ?

EDIT:
oops see we allready got a thread on it
been looking at alternatives, seems this hike is because not enough have took up the console addon as they can use routers so they will charge you anyway without assigning the extra ip.
ADSL is about a lot more now, having looked into it today theres plenty of adsl modems that have an ethernet connection so hooking up to your existing router shouldnt be a problem, dlink have one up to 8Mbs adsl.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Heard a rumour that 1 Meg NTL service is getting a £3 monthly hike which is huge about 9%.
if its true what was the strategy here, take up failed miserabley so drop it to attract more then hike it.

your late, we already know this, somewhere in this big thread is the price list in .pdf format, it will tell you about the price rise as well as other rises......

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

adsl has several providers doing 2Meg unrestricted for £35 so how can this new NTL move be competetive ?

NTL adjust prices to suit them, not the consumer so as long as they have alot of subscribers to thier internet service, they wont be bothered by losing any customers to ADSL.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by kronas

your late, we already know this, somewhere in this big thread is the price list in .pdf format, it will tell you about the price rise as well as other rises......




NTL adjust prices to suit them, not the consumer so as long as they have alot of subscribers to thier internet service, they wont be bothered by losing any customers to ADSL.

that depends adsl is twice as fast for same money as old NTL 1Meg BT phone packages are cheeper so NTL are pricing themselves away from new customers and risk losing existing customers
Definatly glad I dropped to 600k now, guess as more do or leave the next hike will be on 600k

[Florence]

If they increase 600K I will change to ADSL especialy as BT are trialing upto 10KM and 60dB for ADSL 500K with trials perhaps coming for 1mb and 2mb over longer lines. I might have achance to have 1mb back.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

adsl has several providers doing 2Meg unrestricted for £35 so how can this new NTL move be competetive ?

it isnt competitive but perhaps they arent aiming to be!

I agree - if you can get ADSL and you're close enough to the exchange the ADSL 2mb is a better option as it's roughly the same price if you shop around.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

it isnt competitive but perhaps they arent aiming to be!

I agree - if you can get ADSL and you're close enough to the exchange the ADSL 2mb is a better option as it's roughly the same price if you shop around.

What are they 'aiming to be' then if they're not trying to competitive?

ntl will alienate a lot of customers with this latest price rise IMO, & as DSL is becoming more & more widely available, this could hurt them badly (not that ntl really give a hoot about how happy their customers are)

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Neil

What are they 'aiming to be' then if they're not trying to competitive?

they're aiming to be the premier uk 'inertia' broadband supplier - ie. they rely on people not shopping around and general consumer inertia.

the market they're aiming for is the same kind of customers who buy from BT even though with a bit of shopping around you can get it cheaper elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Neil

ntl will alienate a lot of customers with this latest price rise IMO, & as DSL is becoming more & more widely available, this could hurt them badly (not that ntl really give a hoot about how happy their customers are)

yes but only the 1mb customers will be alienated? the massive number of 600 and 150 customers who pay £25 a month probably dont care?

what we need is broadband applications which make 1mb more popular or a necessity. we need something which will bring to the broadband masses what SMS brought to the mobile phone masses - then you'll start to see real competition.