Jail for non-compliant women

[erol]

Originally Posted by Russ D

The courts currently have NO means to punish a mother for failure to comply with an access order.

Nah thats not right, sorry russ.

Have a look here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2987836.stm

"Deliberate refusal to obey any court order is contempt of court that can be punished with a fine or imprisonment.

"However, the courts may consider that such a penalty might not be appropriate in a child contact case because of the effect that would have on the children at the centre of the dispute."

I think there is a real issue here, but propagating incorrect information does nothing to help the situation imo. Not having a go Russ, just that if you want to 'support' these fathers then it's prob best to get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So if she's on benifit, she just gets the benifits she'd get anyway, but the father still has to pay, so the CSA/gov cream off his wages.
Damn this is all so wrong.
A friend found out her husband had been having an affair, which produced a child. The mistress took him to the CSA, and they contacted my friend to see how much she earnt because they would take that into account when deciding how much money her husband should pay this other woman!
She told them to get stuffed.
He ended up having to pay about £400 a month I think, even tho the mistress was earning about £30K

Are you saying the father shouldn't pay out for the child at all?

I just wish the divorce courts and courts in general would at least give equal access to both parents and equal custody to both parents.It only makes sense and then prevents one half of the parenting unit from lording it over the other.It's time that the outmoded and outdated attitude that only a mother can take care of a small child was revised espcially in this day and age of equal rights.

However I believe that the rights of the child HAVE to be paramount at all times.What is best for the child must be the first and main issue.Children are not property as some parents seem to think and deserve to be put first by BOTH parents.

Incog.

[Russ]

OK Erol, want to find me just one instance where a court has enforced such a breach? Simple - they won't, and this HAS to change.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Julian

When the parent with care is on income support the dss will pursue the absent parent for payments through the csa. The dss will take ALL of the money to cover the payments they make to the parent with care.

THis is exactly what happened to me.

So what the hell are your and her national insurance and income tax payments for then?

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So what the hell are your and her national insurance and income tax payments for then?

haha look abroad for that lol

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Are you saying the father shouldn't pay out for the child at all?

I'm saying that if your husband has an affair, produces a child and is taken to the CSA, why should *you* as his wife have to pay towards that child?

And if she is on benifits, and the husband is paying, then surely his payments which are for the child, should go to the child, not the CSA/gov

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I'm saying that if your husband has an affair, produces a child and is taken to the CSA, why should *you* as his wife have to pay towards that child?

And if she is on benifits, and the husband is paying, then surely his payments which are for the child, should go to the child, not the CSA/gov

Now this is another thing which is wrong. When my sister got married her husband already had a child. The CSA wanted to know how much my sister was making though. They class this as THERE business. She had to go along with it in the end which left them both worse off. I believe his ex has a very nice house and that now mind

[Defiant]

Just incase no one has got the picture yet some women are doing very well by this (legel)thievery don't you think

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So what the hell are your and her national insurance and income tax payments for then?

Trouble is m8 the dss treat the absent parent's payments through the csa as income, so they deduct it from your benefit payments.

I was the parent with care in my case as my then wife left me with our children to bring up. I had to quit my job to do that.

But if the woman was on 30K why did she get the CSA on her case?Why would she be claiming benefits?I'm not having a go I just want to understand why the CSA were involved.

Yes I agree about the wife but you know this is what happens to second wives.Their income is included in the decision of how much a husband has to pay in alimony to a first wife and children.

Incog.

Ah! Defiant got there before me.

[Xaccers]

Do the CSA go after absent mothers?

[erol]

Originally Posted by Russ D

OK Erol, want to find me just one instance where a court has enforced such a breach? Simple - they won't, and this HAS to change.

Lack of Judges choosing to prosecute for contempt in such cases is very different from the courts having NO power to prosecute (your original assertation). I am sure there are some cases and am equally sure that they are very rare as well.

As I say I think there is a real issue here. I do think in general there has been a swing past the 'fair' mark re such issues in our courts in the last 30 years or so. However I also think this a natural and inevitable result of it having been so far the other side of fair for so long previous to that.

I realise this is little comfort to those fathers that have suffered from this issue and they have my sympathies. I also think they should protest what they consider is unfair. However spreading false information does nothing constructive for futher this cause imo.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do the CSA go after absent mothers?

One would hope so.

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Yes I agree about the wife but you know this is what happens to second wives.Their income is included in the decision of how much a husband has to pay in alimony to a first wife and children.

Incog.

Ah! Defiant got there before me.

News to us

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do the CSA go after absent mothers?

Yes see my post #24 m8.