Workingmen's clubs

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Did someone say HECK

cover your ears woman!
and bring me pipe n slippers

[Marge]

yes, xaccers, do you want me to put them on for you as well

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

yes, xaccers, do you want me to put them on for you as well

don't be daft lass, thee's far too small for them (I really can't type yorkshire so I'll quite while I'm behind)


And where's my pic?

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

don't be daft lass, thee's far too small for them (I really can't type yorkshire so I'll quite while I'm behind)


And where's my pic?

pmsl @ that , i am not sure if this is still true or not , but , a club i used to go into had 1 room set aside for men only , you wouldnt believe how much harrumphing went on if a woman even dared to go near the door

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by kronas

*yawns

i fight for equality, but in all fairness i believe women should be allowed in to these clubs, what goes on in these clubs thats secretive ?

whores ?

prostitution ?

Erm, if no women are allowed in the clubs, how do they get Prossies in? Unless they are guests of the members.

Seriously, while I do agree with equal rights (and equal runs both ways), I do also think that the owners of a club should be allowed to set their own rules as to who is allowed and who is not.

Having read the thread, I wonder whether everyone here actually bothered to read the BBC report before jumping on the bandwagon? I'm all for preserving the male right to form men-only clubs and go on men-only activities and I believe only the most blinkered, fired-up feminist would argue the point. But the situation at this club in Blackpool is quite different. Women are allowed in, and they are allowed membership of a sort, but in all circumstances what they are allowed to have is secondary to what the men are allowed. That, in my view, is discrimination. The men in this case aren't wanting some space away from women, they just don't want the women to have an equal say in affairs.

[Tricky]

Golf clubs are as bad, many segrogate women and men even in the function rooms.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by scastle

Erm, if no women are allowed in the clubs, how do they get Prossies in? Unless they are guests of the members.

think about its a male club you seriously think if a hoard of males were in there they wouldnt ?

Originally Posted by scastle

Seriously, while I do agree with equal rights (and equal runs both ways), I do also think that the owners of a club should be allowed to set their own rules as to who is allowed and who is not.

i dont agree, its pure discrimination.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Kronny, you know most people act differently when people of the opposite sex arent' around.

it depends how much of a 'slouch' you are

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I know I do.

i know i dont :pp

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Take me at work for instance, I work with a guy called mark, when we work nights/weekends we'll fart/not shave/burp/not tidy up til our hearts are content

filthy, disgusting, unhygienic.......

Originally Posted by Xaccers

but during the day when ladies are about, we're more refined.

i wouldnt know im always 'refined'

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Working men's clubs were a way of men to get away from their women so that they could be men, and fart, drink, be loud, tell rude jokes, smoke, things like that (think back to what society was like when they started, women were not to be farted in front of!)
Heck you couldn't even say heck in front of women!

im sorry this is 2004, im sure this country is going down........anyway we should improve our manners as a whole not just infront of women, but seek a constant perfection of 'living' standards, to do improve our ways of dealing with being 'tidy' as well as being discreet and making sure that we can achieve harmony amongst all.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And women are alowed in, with a member so they are not banned.

yes i know i read the article, so why not without ?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by kronas

think about its a male club you seriously think if a hoard of males were in there they wouldnt ?

Kronas, have you ever been to one of these clubs? Do you know that goes on there? I have, on a couple of occasions been to a working man's club. All that went on was pretty much the same sort of stuff you might see in a pub.

i dont agree, its pure discrimination.

What went on at that club, I would call discrimination. I do think, however, that club owners should be free to set whatever rules for membership they feel the need to. I know you don't go to nightclubs, but do you feel the same way about those nightclubs that discriminate against people becuase of their age (e.g. those that only allow over 25s)?

im sorry this is 2004, im sure this country is going down........anyway we should improve our manners as a whole not just infront of women, but seek a constant perfection of 'living' standards, to do improve our ways of dealing with being 'tidy' as well as being discreet and making sure that we can achieve harmony amongst all.

I agree we should all try and get along (what ever race/gender/sexual persuasion we may have).

Bear in mind, however, that the victorians were tidy and discreet. They were also violent & racist.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by scastle

Bear in mind, however, that the victorians were tidy and discreet. They were also violent & racist.

woah so im a racist and violent person ?

great thanks for the generalisation, you have to remember everyone is diffarent if you inherit your social skills and thoughts through your race or family, you are responsible for your bigoted, racist antisocial views.

Originally Posted by scastle

Kronas, have you ever been to one of these clubs? Do you know that goes on there? I have, on a couple of occasions been to a working man's club. All that went on was pretty much the same sort of stuff you might see in a pub.

i clearly asked earlier on in the thread 'what goes on thats so special ?' it seems from your comments nothing does.......

Originally Posted by scastle

What went on at that club, I would call discrimination. I do think, however, that club owners should be free to set whatever rules for membership they feel the need to. I know you don't go to nightclubs, but do you feel the same way about those nightclubs that discriminate against people becuase of their age (e.g. those that only allow over 25s)?

i have been to clubs, the age restrictions are there to safeguard people who should not be there, even some clubs have dress codes, but this is discrimination for being a female, which is diffarent because its alienating a sex.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by kronas

woah so im a racist and violent person ?

great thanks for the generalisation, you have to remember everyone is diffarent if you inherit your social skills and thoughts through your race or family, you are responsible for your bigoted, racist antisocial views.




i clearly asked earlier on in the thread 'what goes on thats so special ?' it seems from your comments nothing does.......



i have been to clubs, the age restrictions are there to safeguard people who should not be there, even some clubs have dress codes, but this is discrimination for being a female, which is diffarent because its alienating a sex.

hang on , you are victorian

[kronas]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

hang on , you are victorian

no my opening line was being sarky notice the 'woah' bit

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by kronas

no my opening line was being sarky notice the 'woah' bit

fair play

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by kronas

great thanks for the generalisation, you have to remember everyone is diffarent if you inherit your social skills and thoughts through your race or family, you are responsible for your bigoted, racist antisocial views.

Since when have I been racist, antisocial or bigoted? And where did I say that everyone who was discrete and well mannered was racist and violent? And I have certainly not said that about you.

Read what I say before you criticise me. I was making the point that people who appear to be discrete and polite may not be (which is why I gave the example of the victorians).

i clearly asked earlier on in the thread 'what goes on thats so special ?' it seems from your comments nothing does.......

Actually, that was my point. In my experiance, nothing special does go on, so I don't understand the need for a fuss.

i have been to clubs, the age restrictions are there to safeguard people who should not be there, even some clubs have dress codes, but this is discrimination for being a female, which is diffarent because its alienating a sex.

Actually, I wasn't talking about the legal restrictions on age (ie, over 18). I was talking about the clubs placing extra restrictions on age (clubs that specify you should be over 25)

A private club has the right to set it's membership rules, those who are allowed in are happy, those who aren't tend to call it discrimination.