ID cards for uk citizens over 16

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Make a fake ID card, put correct Iris and finger prints on it, hey presto no ones an illegal immigrant. It wouldnt be until closer inspection that anythign would show up. And how many hours would that take? the police stations would be overflowing while everyhting was documented so it would not be checked thoroughly

the filthy immigrants wouldnt need ID cards anyway... no doubt they would get away without having to pay £39, i bet they would get paid £39 for the "inconvenience" of having to carry a card around...

have to say the ID card thing is a good idea in principle though, if driving licence passport etc ever becomes replaced by one piece of plastic, i will be a happy bunny

Originally posted by Dave Stones
regarding something russ D said earlier about "the mark"... cant find it to quote now oh well.

totally offtopic is this why people in the middle ages that committed crimes etc had letters braned on their heads, so they could be identified by the public _and_ so they couldnt be "saved"?

just a thought...

I don't know, but it's an interesting idea. The Catholic church in the middle ages had a very high view of itself and thought it had a great deal of authority to decide what should happen to people both in this life and in the afterlife.

For example, the first man to translate the Bible into English from the Latin version used by the Church (John Wycliffe, in the late 14th century) upset the Pope so much that some years after his death, his bones were exhumed and burned. This was because they believed that by cremating him they could deny him the chance of being resurrected at the end of time. Just for good measure they officially excommunicated him as well, clearly believing that even though he went to meet his maker some 40 years earlier, it was still in their gift to decide whether he should be in heaven or not!

Sorry all, that was totally off topic ...

ID cards anyone?

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by towny
I don't know, but it's an interesting idea. The Catholic church in the middle ages had a very high view of itself and thought it had a great deal of authority to decide what should happen to people both in this life and in the afterlife.

For example, the first man to translate the Bible into English from the Latin version used by the Church (John Wycliffe, in the late 14th century) upset the Pope so much that some years after his death, his bones were exhumed and burned. This was because they believed that by cremating him they could deny him the chance of being resurrected at the end of time. Just for good measure they officially excommunicated him as well, clearly believing that even though he went to meet his maker some 40 years earlier, it was still in their gift to decide whether he should be in heaven or not!

Sorry all, that was totally off topic ...

ID cards anyone?

ah all the poor people nowadays that get cremated... no second life for them

yes ID cards.. theyre a good thing

Originally posted by Dave Stones
<snip>have to say the ID card thing is a good idea in principle though, if driving licence passport etc ever becomes replaced by one piece of plastic, i will be a happy bunny

I was a happy bunny when I learned that the new driving licence would be a photo card. 'Great', I thought, 'no more carrying round that big piece of paper, and it'll be good for proving who I am as well'. Of course, I was cheezed in the extreme to discover that the new driving licence is in fact a photo card and a paper licence, and that the licence is not technically complete unless you are carrying them both. Any jobsworth copper could refuse to accept your photocard as proof of anything unless you're carrying the paper counterpart as well.

So I have to say I am not at all confident that any bureaucrat can devise a scheme that is genuinely convenient for users. The civil service mindset just doesn't work like that.

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by towny
I was a happy bunny when I learned that the new driving licence would be a photo card. 'Great', I thought, 'no more carrying round that big piece of paper, and it'll be good for proving who I am as well'. Of course, I was cheezed in the extreme to discover that the new driving licence is in fact a photo card and a paper licence, and that the licence is not technically complete unless you are carrying them both. Any jobsworth copper could refuse to accept your photocard as proof of anything unless you're carrying the paper counterpart as well.

So I have to say I am not at all confident that any bureaucrat can devise a scheme that is genuinely convenient for users. The civil service mindset just doesn't work like that.

is it really that hard to keep the piece of paper in the glovebox or the bit in the side of the door wear all the snotty tissues seem to congregate?

i keep mine separate tho, the plasticky bit stays in my wallet cos i still get ID'd at pubs etc (im only ickle and 18 :p)

Originally posted by Dave Stones
is it really that hard to keep the piece of paper in the glovebox or the bit in the side of the door wear all the snotty tissues seem to congregate?

i keep mine separate tho, the plasticky bit stays in my wallet cos i still get ID'd at pubs etc (im only ickle and 18 :p)

Yes, I keep the plasticky bit in my wallet (sadly, at 30, I don't get ID-ed any more tho').

But I would never keep any form of personal ID anywhere it could be easily stolen - like a glove box. Illegal immigrants with fake IDs have to get them from somewhere. Personally I don't want some fugitive Talib wandering round Leicester pretending to be me.

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by towny
Yes, I keep the plasticky bit in my wallet (sadly, at 30, I don't get ID-ed any more tho').

But I would never keep any form of personal ID anywhere it could be easily stolen - like a glove box. Illegal immigrants with fake IDs have to get them from somewhere. Personally I don't want some fugitive Talib wandering round Leicester pretending to be me.

if you have a good security system it wouldnt get nicked ... but you keep the plasticky bit in your wallet and how many wallets go missing every year

i think it would be interesting though if someone did steal ur ID (just ID, not bank details etc) and the police came and arrested you... but you had a airtight alibi. itd be funny just to see the look on PC jobsworth's face when he had nicked the wrong guy...

im drifting into fantasy world agin...

Originally posted by Dave Stones
if you have a good security system it wouldnt get nicked ... but you keep the plasticky bit in your wallet and how many wallets go missing every year

i think it would be interesting though if someone did steal ur ID (just ID, not bank details etc) and the police came and arrested you... but you had a airtight alibi. itd be funny just to see the look on PC jobsworth's face when he had nicked the wrong guy...

im drifting into fantasy world agin...

Show me the security device that can stop a hammer finding its way through your window ...

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by towny
Show me the security device that can stop a hammer finding its way through your window ...

reinforced glass

also have you seen those systems that were allowed in south africa for a while, the ones that shot flames out of the bottom of your car if anyone touched the metalwork... what i wouldnt give to see one of those torch a criminal...

[zoombini]

It is stated that during the 'end times' (do a google for more info) the antichrist will demand everyone takes a mark of loyalty to him. This will come in the form of an indentifying 'mark' on the forehead or back of the right hand. Anyone who takes this mark will never be saved. Hopefully you can see from this why many christians would not be in favour of using and ID card

Personally I would keep mine in my wallet, so it would not form a "mark" of any sort. So the against the Bible bit is pointless.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by zoombini
Personally I would keep mine in my wallet, so it would not form a "mark" of any sort. So the against the Bible bit is pointless.

Thats what I thought

Originally posted by zoombini
Personally I would keep mine in my wallet, so it would not form a "mark" of any sort. So the against the Bible bit is pointless.

Personally, I think we're confusing two issues. A UK ID card scheme does not, for me, fulfill Biblical prophecy, which seems to point towards some form of international scheme tied in to a demand of loyalty to an international figure, possibly a world president.

What Blunkett wants to do is offer us all plastic cards to put in our wallets.

According to the Bible, what the 'Antichrist' wants to do (at some point in the future) is to force everyone to take some kind of mark, perhaps a barcode or subcutaneous chip, either on their forehead or on the back of their right hand.

[SMHarman]

Originally posted by Dave Stones
reinforced glass

also have you seen those systems that were allowed in south africa for a while, the ones that shot flames out of the bottom of your car if anyone touched the metalwork... what i wouldnt give to see one of those torch a criminal...

And would you want RG on the sides of your car in the event of an accident when the doors had jammed?

[Dave Stones]

Originally posted by SMHarman
And would you want RG on the sides of your car in the event of an accident when the doors had jammed?

trains have reinforced glass and they are in accidents often enough

and i wouldnt get in an accident anyway seeing as how i dont have a car :p

still wouldnt mind seeing a few of those security systems tho, torch the dirty asylum seekers if they break a window...

[Nor]

em, thats twice now.