Can't get Digital just cos im a student - WTF ? - Page 3

paulyoung666 · 25-03-2004, 18:45

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Originally Posted by asdf

Umm, I doubt anyonoe could ever accuse propping' of falling for ntl's b/s.

If propping' does leave, like his title says "Gone" then it will be a BIG loss to this community, especially the DTV side of things.

yes i reckon you are right there

Tristan · 25-03-2004, 20:58

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Originally Posted by asdf

If propping' does leave, like his title says "Gone" then it will be a BIG loss to this community, especially the DTV side of things.

I couldn't agree more.

asdf · 25-03-2004, 23:33

Let's hope he realises that the majority of us here actually enjoy his posts and respect him immensely.

mattley · 29-03-2004, 14:49

Agreed, it would be very sad to see proppin' off. His insight, help and general presence, have made this board a valuable resource.

orangebird · 29-03-2004, 15:16

I think he's definitely gone....hasn't posted since the 'I give up' post....

**Mick** · 29-03-2004, 15:49

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Originally Posted by mattley

Agreed, it would be very sad to see proppin' off. His insight, help and general presence, have made this board a valuable resource.

Agreed, it is a shame that prop took offense to Neil's post and he has decided not to post again but if we all decided to stop posting because we did not like what someone had said, everyones post count would cease to rise.

Neil · 29-03-2004, 15:54

FWIW-I have PM'd him on this subject, but have had no reply.

Also-I disagree with what a lot of people on here say, but I don't just 'give up'

Anyway-

Tristan · 29-03-2004, 15:58

I don't think it was that post in itself, but more that if that is the general attitude of the moderators, what is the point of him being here trying to help?

That's the way I read it, anyway. I can't speak for him.

Neil · 29-03-2004, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Tristan

I don't think it was that post in itself, but more that if that is the general attitude of the moderators, what is the point of him being here trying to help?

That's the way I read it, anyway. I can't speak for him.

That applies all the way down the line Tristran-how about 'if ntl weren't so poor, we wouldn't need to offer this site for customers to find help'?

We don't just give up because of ntl's attitude, and we are also the ones that put our time & effort into putting the site(s) together to start with.

[/rant over]

themelon · 29-03-2004, 18:07

Those who require help will still be able to get it from Proppin in the digital spy cable forums so it shouldnt be much of an issue.

Personally I think this site should be more about offering help to those suffering problems than critiseing ntl at every opportunity which seems the case in my eyes, every company despite the mystifiying illusions of some has problems. In the big picture ntl has nearly 3 million customers, most of whom are enitrely happy.......this site has 3000 members (not all unhappy it might add)

Of course other companies can be equally poor:

http://www.btsuck.org/

http://www.btopenwoe.org.uk/dsl/talesofwoe.asp

**Mick** · 29-03-2004, 18:48

I think things are being took to extremes when I keep seeing someone mentioning this site should be more about offering help to those suffering problems than critiseing ntl at every opportunity Plenty of help is given on this site, yes there is criticism as well, there is no set rule that says the balance needs setting right. But now with the name change, Cable Forum, it should not just attract the negative elements that an 'hell' site can bring.

Prop knows that he does a good job and he knows (hopefully) that we know that he does, the comment was not aimed at him yet, sadly, he has took the huff, we get comments thrown at us some of the time and they are bad, but we do not walk away or 'give up' even though at times I have wanted to.

29-03-2004, 20:40

Ok, here we go.
Theres no huff, there's no disagreement with any particular post. I've been posting on here and .com for more than a couple of years, and theres been plenty of ntl bashing over those years. I've got thicker skin than that, and can stick up for what I believe in. I will freely admit that ntl are far from the perfect company, and most of the criticism about them is justified.

However, when people come to a 'help' site with questions, and one of the mods advice for problem resolution is to get Sky and who actively promotes an ADSL BB provider, then theres no need for me to be here.

Neil · 29-03-2004, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar

Ok, here we go.
Theres no huff, there's no disagreement with any particular post. I've been posting on here and .com for more than a couple of years, and theres been plenty of ntl bashing over those years. I've got thicker skin than that, and can stick up for what I believe in. I will freely admit that ntl are far from the perfect company, and most of the criticism about them is justified.

However, when people come to a 'help' site with questions, and one of the mods advice for problem resolution is to get Sky and who actively promotes an ADSL BB provider, then theres no need for me to be here.

Look again 'Prop'.....

I have defended ntl where I feel necessary, when I don't I will offer suggestions to help the customer.

In this particular thread, it seems you took offence at my suggestion to the thread starter to 'give his money to Sky'. Who can blame someone for suggesting that after he/she had been given the runaround by ntl when he was trying to give them money??

They didn't eben try to be flexible, & that's why I made my suggestion (which I still stand by btw)

There is still every need for you to be here, as ntl will (IMO) continue to let their customers down, & as long as that happens (& you have admitted it does), then there is a need for this site, & for people like you to be on it.

As Mick says-we take just as much flack/criticism from people who post on here, which when I think of the time/money etc that we invest in the site(s) it quite frankly makes my blood boil as I/we put our money where our mouths are to give people this site.

Still-that's life eh?

I hope you will stay & continue to help people (I really do), but if you choose not to, then that's life too.

browneggsandham · 29-03-2004, 22:12

Hey Proppin',

I'm just gonna say straight out what I think and what many others are surely also thinking.

On this board, we respect you and the knowledge you bring to it. Ok, so perhaps Neil isn't setting the best example as a mod on a predominantly ntl orientated site (partly Telewest now I believe aswell). But I still accept the amount of time and effort he has put into this site. And he does help customers aswell.

There is still a need for you here. Everyone, well almost, is grateful for your input into this site and I'm sure they all wish for it to continue. I do. The info from Sam B and yourself, I'd say, is one of the main reasons people come here, aside from general advice perhaps.

Please don't leave this site, we want you here.

Well that's my word on this,

Cheers,
Browneggsandham

PS. I know I put something similar to this in a PM but I thought I'd say here what I'm sure most people are thinking

Bald_Monkey_ · 29-03-2004, 22:22

Would just like to echo Browneggsandhams post. If you do leave, then thank you for your contribution over the years.