US Veto Again

[Graham F]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3570651.stm

Why do the US always stick up for Israel, when will they learn

[Ramrod]

Wasn't the dead man involved with a terrorist group?

[Graham F]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Wasn't the dead man involved with a terrorist group?

To be honest what choice do they have Israel aren't the best nation for holding up human rights are they. They build a wall to keep people out, but they STEAL the palestinian land at the same time. They go into palestinian towns with tanks and helicoptors and kill lots of people. They need stopped and the US need to stop sponsoring them

[peachey]

Originally Posted by Scooby

To be honest what choice do they have Israel aren't the best nation for holding up human rights are they. They build a wall to keep people out, but they STEAL the palestinian land at the same time. They go into palestinian towns with tanks and helicoptors and kill lots of people. They need stopped and the US need to stop sponsoring them

damn right

[Pierre]

The Israel/Palestine question is a large kettle of worms.

There will not be peace until Israel pull out of the occupied territories.

A creation of a Palestinian state is also preferable.

Americas blind support for Israel is their undoing, a lot of the worlds problems would be over if we sort this mess out.

who do the israelis buy millitary hardware from?

I would imagine that a large part of it is to do with the fact that the US would adopt the same tactics if it suited their purpose. Probably a bit awkward to pass a security council resolution condeming something you would do yourself.

[Graham F]

So why just not vote?!?

I believe thats what the UK did, there is no reason to veto it!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

I would imagine that a large part of it is to do with the fact that the US would adopt the same tactics if it suited their purpose. Probably a bit awkward to pass a security council resolution condeming something you would do yourself.

I think it has more to do with the fact that there is a powerful Jewish lobby in US politics. The US seems to support Israel unless there is absolutely no chance of getting out of it. If they can find an excuse to veto a resolution condemning Israel, they will.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Scooby

To be honest what choice do they have Israel aren't the best nation for holding up human rights are they. They build a wall to keep people out, but they STEAL the palestinian land at the same time. They go into palestinian towns with tanks and helicoptors and kill lots of people.

Fine words but it is, nevertheless, a terrorist group and he was a member. Anyhow, the US seem to have a beef with it because of this:

The US opposed the draft because it did not name Hamas as a terrorist group.

[Graham F]

So why are the Israel's not classed as terrorists?!? They do far worse things, this will never stop unless the US stop backing them

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Scooby

So why are the Israel's not classed as terrorists?!? They do far worse things, this will never stop unless the US stop backing them

Excuse me? Do they send 14 year old suicide bombers? I find myself wondering who started the Israel/Palestine business....who cast the first stone?
edit-- just found this : http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ind..._war_start.php
(I don't know how biased or not it is)

The first large-scale assaults began on January 9, 1948, when approximately 1,000 Arabs attacked Jewish communities in northern Palestine. By February, the British said so many Arabs had infiltrated they lacked the forces to run them back. In fact, the British turned over bases and arms to Arab irregulars and the Arab Legion.

Early in the war, from November 29, 1947 until April 1, 1948, the Palestinian Arabs took the offensive, with help from volunteers from neighboring countries. The Jews suffered severe casualties and passage along most of their major roadways was disrupted. Starting in April 1948, the Haganah took the initiative, and in six weeks was able to turn the tables by capturing the Arab sections of Tiberias, Haifa and later also Safed and Acre. They temporarily opened the road to Jerusalem and gained control of much of the territory alotted to the Jewish State under the UN Resolution.

From mid-May to mid-July, the critical phase of the war, came the simultaneous, coordinated assault on the new State of Israel by five regular Arab armies from neighboring countries (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq), with an overwhelming superiority of heavy equipment - armor, artillery and airforce. From then through the negotiated agreements that ended the war in 1949, Israel not only ejected the invading Arab forces, it also captured and held some 5,000 sq. km. over and above the areas allocated to it by the United Nations.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Scooby

To be honest what choice do they have Israel aren't the best nation for holding up human rights are they

Um lets see:






Why can't I have a synagogue in Mecca?

Why can't I kiss boys on the streets of Damascus?

Why can't women travel free without a consort or his permission in Libya?

Why is it that I can be legally executed in most middle eastern nations for something I've done with another guy?


Israel also don't discriminate against women. In Israel, there is no censorship of the press. Opposition parties are legal. Homosexuality is legal. In fact, Israel has laws against hate crimes against homosexuals. Honor killing is OUTLAWED in Israel! 93% of women in Israel can read. Want to comare how many can read in Jordan? (*cough* 21.6%) What about freedom to criticize religion (Israel you can). Or complete academic and artistic freedom? Or free entry of foreign arts, books, and the press?

Hint: Isreal is the clear winner in terms of respecting civil and human rights. Unless, of course, you want to prove otherwise. What rights do Syria respect that Israel does not respect? What rights do Jordan and Libya respect that Israel doesn't respect?



Some more food for thought:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/03/01/world/eqypt040301

Egypt tortures homosexuals: report

CAIRO - Egyptian police routinely seek out, arrest and torture men suspected of being homosexual, a human rights group said in a report released on Monday.

For homosexual Palestinians, Israel is their best shot at safety
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.a...ntcategoryid=1

'Death threat' to Palestinian gays
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2826963.stm

Palestinian Gay Runaways Survive on Israeli Streets
http://www.gaypasg.org/Press%20Clipp...%20Streets.htm



Get real.

[peachey]

that's a big post!

[downquark1]

They killed an old man in a wheel chair outside a church with an airstrike, I think you can appreciate why people are angry.

Of course such methods are worthy of a terrorist