irresponsibility - Page 3

**Maggy** · 24-03-2004, 17:06

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Originally Posted by kronas

i dont believe that, although i think chocolate can affect your body by the sugar it contains, if it did have addictive properties which affect your senses and ruin you internally it would affect many more people........

kronas it is true.It's why us females turn to chocolate when our hearts are breaking.It's not good for the hips but great for the morale until we feel better.Better than any tranquillizer in my opinion.

Bifta · 24-03-2004, 17:09

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Originally Posted by kronas

it is if you do research in to medicine which affects the brains seratonin, ofcourse building knowledge is apart of a suitable discussion instead of backbiting ?

I know enough about seratonin/receptors/blocking after spending a long time researching fluo/peroxotine without taking a half arsed opinion about it from you. The reason you got the negative rep for me was rubbishing the fact that people with MS find Cannabis eases their pain, you then picked the first post I made in here to give a negative rep with what quite frankly was totally irrelevant (because both you and I know you know jack sh*t about it), it's difficult to believe there are actually people like you still about in this world, people who would rather condemn things they know nothing about, not only for themselves, but for those who do have a need for it.

kronas · 24-03-2004, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

kronas it is true.It's why us females turn to chocolate when our hearts are breaking.It's not good for the hips but great for the morale until we feel better.Better than any tranquillizer in my opinion.

i didnt discount the fact that people have cravings because its chemically related, however i dont believe its the same as taking a drug like cocaine.......

kronas · 24-03-2004, 17:32

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Originally Posted by dr wadd

The jury is still out on that one, but there is evidence to suggest that having chocolate has the same neurochemical effect as smoking a spliff, albeit to a much lesser degree.

http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_0...ipts/_303.html

just to note some additional information.........

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Phenylethylamine is a chemical in the body that is similar to an amphetamine. Researchers believe that our body releases phenylethylamine when we are in love, thus producing the uplifted mood associated with love. At one time, it was rumored that chocolate produces the same feelings because of the phenylethylamine it contains. Unfortunately, tests now show that the phenylethylamine in chocolate is broken down before it can affect the brain in this way.

also i was going to type cocoa affects the body but i wasent sure untill i read this:

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Theobromine is an alkaloid with about one-tenth the stimulating effect of caffeine. However, cocoa contains about seven times as much theobromine as there is caffeine. Although theobromine is a weaker stimulant than caffeine,

7 times more but weaker affect ?

http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/sh.../chocolate.htm

24-03-2004, 17:44

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Originally Posted by kronas

just to note some additional information.........

The specific part of the article that I linked to that caught my eye was to do with a different molecule, anandamide.

http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/se...andamide.shtml

carlingman · 25-03-2004, 00:38

Just to pick up on a previous posting Heroin is in effect dia morphine.

Heroin is a powerful analgesic and narcotic and is a diacetyl derivative of morphine which is the most important alkaloid in opium and obtained from Poppies essentially.

Way back in the 19th century morphine was boiled with acetic anhydride and created dia-morphine. This then is more lipid soluble than Morphine and so delivers the drug across the blood brain barrier more quickly and efficiently.

Dia-morphine itself does not attach to the opiate receptors in the brain, it quickly breaks down to Morphine and other metabolites that do.

Hence why dia-morphine (Heroin) is given to terminally ill cancer patients as the short term effect are to reduce pain, to depress many nervous reactions.

Especially in the case for lung cancer sufferers as it suppresses the cough reflex and also suppresses appetite, libido, energy, circulation, and respiration.

The effect then gives the sufferer a peaceful ending from this world in the effect of a Heroin overdose whereby the cause of death will be by the respiration becoming so depressed it stops completely.

Morbid mode off but that unfortunately in some cases is how it is.

Now under no circumstances am I saying this makes Heroin or dia-morphine sociably acceptable but you have to realise that these kind of drugs have been used in these circumstances for years and with movement of modern medicines will no doubt continue to.

Heroin is addictive but in the case of a cancer patient who is terminal the long terms effects are not applicable.

zodiac · 25-03-2004, 20:10

where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to yhe park or the pictures

zodiac · 25-03-2004, 20:11

where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to the park or the pictures

zodiac · 25-03-2004, 20:20

where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to yhe park or the pictures

**Maggy** · 25-03-2004, 20:26

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Originally Posted by zodiac

where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to yhe park or the pictures

Did you hiccup?

I SAY DID YOU HICCUP?

Got clickyitus I see.

Or you are making a point?

You can delete the extra two postings if you get in under the 30 minute rule you know.

zodiac · 25-03-2004, 20:28

slip of the mouse

Shaun · 25-03-2004, 20:32

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Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

Or take paracetamol?

Where's Theodoric when you need him for a reasoned debate on "chemicals".

The problem is the effects illegal drugs have on peoples lives and health, paracetamol and caffeine don't (as far as I'm aware) cause social or health problems if taken in moderation

blackthorn · 25-03-2004, 20:46

Interesting reading about the chocolate posts. People I work with say I have a choc problem and laugh about it. I eat 6- 8 different choc bars a day and it makes me feel good. If I go a few hours with no choc I literaly get the shakes until I scoff a bar. Luckily I dont put an ounce of weight on so I`m not too worried but i know I shouldnt be eating that much.

Shaun · 25-03-2004, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Graham

Err, I suggest you do a little research into the drugs that are *already* used for medicinal purposes!

For example:

Morphine is an opiate (derived from the same source as heroin)

http://www.bartleby.com/59/22/morphine.html

Novacaine is chemically very similar to cocaine (but less toxic)

http://www.fas.org/news/reference/probert/E2.HTM

Interestingly they are alkaloids, like codeine and strychnine, all have similar functional groups (an amine group).

Another chemical you may have all tried at some point is quinine, found in tonic water, this is also chemically similar but doesn't affect your mental state.

Shaun · 25-03-2004, 21:00

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Originally Posted by blackthorn

Interesting reading about the chocolate posts. People I work with say I have a choc problem and laugh about it. I eat 6- 8 different choc bars a day and it makes me feel good. If I go a few hours with no choc I literaly get the shakes until I scoff a bar. Luckily I dont put an ounce of weight on so I`m not too worried but i know I shouldnt be eating that much.

Just be careful about the amount of sugar you eat as it can cause diabetes, there are many people that have it and don't even know