Q.? Modding the box! The pros & cons, your opinions would be appreciated.

[kRAyZZed]

However, for someone who does not use XBL then there is no problem, if you mod it (as is your right to do so as its now your property) then as long as you no longer expect any support from the manufacturer the rest is just a legal mishmash over copyright & fair play issues etc.

Ahhhh yes but, read that nice big manual of yours....although it is your property, m$ reserved the right to keep the machine unmodded, and thus by modding it you are breaching the T&C NOT of XBL but of your xbox itself too,
alot of products have this kinda feature that although it is your property the original owners keep a stake in the ownership of the item

dvd players, gaming consoles - all of these have had the same kinda condition for years now.....

BTW, adding a modchip can be for reasons other than just using copied game DVD's.
It allows you to store your games on the HDD

making backups of your games to your HDD is still considered illegal and carries up to 6 month imprisonment per disc backed up.....

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by kRAyZZed

Ahhhh yes but, read that nice big manual of yours....although it is your property, m$ reserved the right to keep the machine unmodded, and thus by modding it you are breaching the T&C NOT of XBL but of your xbox itself too,
alot of products have this kinda feature that although it is your property the original owners keep a stake in the ownership of the item

dvd players, gaming consoles - all of these have had the same kinda condition for years now.....

making backups of your games to your HDD is still considered illegal and carries up to 6 month imprisonment per disc backed up.....

Im pretty sure the only time imprisonment is applicable is if you ditribute the copied software, the maximum I have ever heard applied to backups is hardware confiscation, a writen offence and a warning basicly not to do it again.
If you can show me an instance where what you have said has happened I would appreciate it though .

[zoombini]

A UK offense mind you.. none of thiat American stuff...

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Originally Posted by kRAyZZed

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making backups of your games to your HDD is still considered illegal and carries up to 6 month imprisonment per disc backed up.....

Please could you show me where you got that piece of information?

[Tezcatlipoca]

kRAyZZed,

As I said before, there are legit uses for a mod chip: playing imported games & DVDs.

Originally Posted by kRAyZZed

making backups of your games to your HDD is still considered illegal and carries up to 6 month imprisonment per disc backed up.....

Technically illegal, but not unethical if you do still own the original game disc.

6 months per disc?! Really? A bit extreme for a crime with no victim (there is a big difference to backing up something *you own* & pirating something you do not own!). Also unlikely, I would think, seeing as our prisons are already overflowing, & Judges are saying people shouldn't even be locked up for burglary & other offences.

[kRAyZZed]

6 months per disc, its simple really

the legal system in this country defines creating backups as an offence triable in magistrates court only, and ANY offence in the magistates court holds a maximum sentence of 6 months imprisonment and/or £2000 fine per offence....

[kRAyZZed]

Originally Posted by ZrByte

Im pretty sure the only time imprisonment is applicable is if you ditribute the copied software, the maximum I have ever heard applied to backups is hardware confiscation, a writen offence and a warning basicly not to do it again.
If you can show me an instance where what you have said has happened I would appreciate it though .

No distribution comes under a whole different piracy law and carries up to 6yrs imprisonment per offense

[Brainbug71]

Sounds to me like someone obviously has nothing better to do than read law books and statutes.:o

I myself however, have to go to work to earn my living for the family

As for having the last word!!!!!

[kRAyZZed]

Originally Posted by Brainbug71

Sounds to me like someone obviously has nothing better to do than read law books and statutes.:o

I myself however, have to go to work to earn my living for the family

As for having the last word!!!!!

last word? :P

now just to clarify i do go to work to earn a living, not my fault i choose to study law (well actually it is lol but heh)

[zoombini]

Who gives a stuff about the law & copying your software to an xbox, if someone is going to mod an xbox then they are not.

As for any T&C's that manufacturers put in with thier equipment, I cannot see that they are in any way binding or reasonable as once you own the equipment you can do to it what you want.
If the T&C said that I was as not allowed to modify it & I chnaged the fan or the HDD or the CPU etc I cannot see anyone prosecuting me, so why shoulld any other modification be any different.
Obviously if I was to thenn attach it to someones network then thats different as I would be putting an unauthorised bit of equipment on it then.

[kRAyZZed]

Originally Posted by zoombini

Who gives a stuff about the law & copying your software to an xbox, if someone is going to mod an xbox then they are not.

As for any T&C's that manufacturers put in with thier equipment, I cannot see that they are in any way binding or reasonable as once you own the equipment you can do to it what you want.
If the T&C said that I was as not allowed to modify it & I chnaged the fan or the HDD or the CPU etc I cannot see anyone prosecuting me, so why shoulld any other modification be any different.
Obviously if I was to thenn attach it to someones network then thats different as I would be putting an unauthorised bit of equipment on it then.

Thats just it, your xbox is not actually 100% YOUR xbox according to microsoft, they apparently still reserve the right to keep it as they intended, i know it sounds silly but you have only paid for the right to use their hardware, not actually the hardware itself...

[zoombini]

Somehow I think that that would only be applicable in the state of Texas or some stupid yank place.
Over here we see sense & a court would proberably declare it as ine, seeing as I have a receipt to show I paid for it & that I was not told that I was only allowed to use it before I paid for it...lol

[kRAyZZed]

Originally Posted by zoombini

Somehow I think that that would only be applicable in the state of Texas or some stupid yank place.
Over here we see sense & a court would proberably declare it as ine, seeing as I have a receipt to show I paid for it & that I was not told that I was only allowed to use it before I paid for it...lol

lol well its true and it has been held up in courts :P, also one of the reasons why modding your xbox was declared illegal, but simply put no matter what you are doing with it, connecting it to a network, xbox live, or just sitting it in your lounge - fitting a mod chip in your xbox is illegal... the courts deemed that any chip that was designed to or adversely circumventer copyright protection within software is illegal - so whether you were told or not about the xbox being you complete property that is kinda beside the point anyway...
but you saying that you are allowed to fit a mod chip, which is illegal to you OWN xbox...that surely is the same as you saying you are allowed to commit any criminal act you wish on your own property....

as long as you live in this country and are thus bound by uk laws whether it is your property or not is of no concern, you are still breaking the law

[zoombini]

So what!

[kRAyZZed]

Originally Posted by zoombini

So what!

heh noooo lets not just respond to a thread for the sake of responding eh?

i merely stated the legal facts, its up to you if you wish to obey them, but i dont really think your really contributing at all with a two word response to a post.

Been looking at your other posts and post count and now i see why you have achieved that so quick...
i mean "so what!" - are you like 10 or something? come now you can do better than that