another abuser caught - Page 2

Mr_love_monkey · 17-03-2004, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I'm sure I've asked before but don't remember getting an answer, but is there any evidence of chemical castration removing sexual urges in men?
I know a castrated dog can still get randy, but is it a possible treatment?
Of course its no good with female paedophiles.

Thing is, from some of the interview with these 'people' (and I use the word loosely) - some of them say that's not always a 'sexual' thing? - a chunk of it is a power trip? - being in control. If they were castrated (prefereably with a rusty blunt knife) would it stop them? yeah, it might stop them performing the physical act, but would it stop them taking part in the these rings that there are, and watching? - sadly I don't think it would stop them.

**Damien** · 17-03-2004, 18:35

Sticking them in jail is pointless as they will come out and re-offend.

They should be sent to a mental home and try to be treated and not release till they are and that goes or all of them (even those who a let off with a warning). In the case that they are deemed to no longer pose a risk then they get to go free if they dont have a jail term to serve or if they have already served it in the home. If they still got some jail time left they stay in the home or help police. Then are checked regualerly.

Mr_love_monkey · 17-03-2004, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Of course its no good with female paedophiles.

As an aside, does anyone know how common female paedophiles are? - is paedophilia mainly just the practice of men?

With paedophiles does it reach a point where you say, that there is nothing you can ever do that will make these people 'safe' - and for the safety of others they should be put in a place where they never have access to other people (other than their own kind).

downquark1 · 17-03-2004, 18:41

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Originally Posted by dr wadd

I read an article on the body mod scene that mentioned that surgical castration does not necessarily destroy sexual urges in men, so I guess the same would probably hold true of most forms of chemical castration. But I`m sure that it would be possible to develop a pharmaceutical that could suppress sexual urges through a different mechanism.

It was believed in WWI that bromine water did the trick.

I think the person needs to 'want' to not abuse children for any drugs to be any use. If a person is forcibly castrated he may continue out of spite.

But for those who want to be helped, I think some kind a medication could help (assuming it exists)

Xaccers · 17-03-2004, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Thing is, from some of the interview with these 'people' (and I use the word loosely) - some of them say that's not always a 'sexual' thing? - a chunk of it is a power trip? - being in control. If they were castrated (prefereably with a rusty blunt knife) would it stop them? yeah, it might stop them performing the physical act, but would it stop them taking part in the these rings that there are, and watching? - sadly I don't think it would stop them.

Yes, a lot of rapes are for the power trip.
I know the case of indecent assault I was a jurer on was about that more than sexual gratification.

Now, with regards to punishment, should someone who's actually abused children get the same punishment as someone who's just got pics on his/her computer?

Xaccers · 17-03-2004, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

As an aside, does anyone know how common female paedophiles are? - is paedophilia mainly just the practice of men?

With paedophiles does it reach a point where you say, that there is nothing you can ever do that will make these people 'safe' - and for the safety of others they should be put in a place where they never have access to other people (other than their own kind).

I'm sure more of it goes on than is reported.
The attitude of the abused is probably different if the abuser is female and the abused is male.
Many boys wouldn't feel bad about having sex with an older woman at the age of 12, or even younger.
Of course many boys would feel bad too.

Mr_love_monkey · 17-03-2004, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Now, with regards to punishment, should someone who's actually abused children get the same punishment as someone who's just got pics on his/her computer?

I guess that's the thing - if you're looking at these pictures, then you've got something wrong with you - but does it mean that looking at the pictures stops you from going out and doing it, or does it incite you to go out and do it?

Or does it make any difference?.
Personally I'd probably say, you get caught doing anything in that area, you should be put away for good.

Stuartbe · 17-03-2004, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

I guess that's the thing - if you're looking at these pictures, then you've got something wrong with you - but does it mean that looking at the pictures stops you from going out and doing it, or does it incite you to go out and do it?

Or does it make any difference?.
Personally I'd probably say, you get caught doing anything in that area, you should be put away for good.

Just one point on that..... In my work life I have had to rate sites and add blacklists. I have allso worked with the police and CCU looking for these sites. I had to register this fact so that if my searching was reported I could cover my back. You dont want to know about some of the sh$te that I have found in my time

So there is no excuse for having the pictures as anyone searching for ligitimate reasons will have registered that fact !

paulyoung666 · 17-03-2004, 19:12

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Just one point on that..... In my work life I have had to rate sites and add blacklists. I have allso worked with the police and CCU looking for these sites. I had to register this fact so that if my searching was reported I could cover my back. You dont want to know about some of the sh$te that I have found in my time

So there is no excuse for having the pictures as anyone searching for ligitimate reasons will have registered that fact !

top post in my opinion

17-03-2004, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

I guess that's the thing - if you're looking at these pictures, then you've got something wrong with you - but does it mean that looking at the pictures stops you from going out and doing it, or does it incite you to go out and do it?

Now say it wasn't a child being molested, but a child being killed. That would surely be worse, wouldn't it?

So an adult being killed would be at least as bad, wouldn't?

So getting enjoyment from watching an adult being killed would mean that "there's something wrong with you", yes...?

So watching a Clint Eastwood/ James Bond/ Rambo/ Schwarzennegger film...?

Ah, but *we* can tell the difference and we know that *we* wouldn't do that sort of thing...

... it's *them* that we're worried about...!!

**Damien** · 17-03-2004, 20:39

Its not be same

Adults are not children.

People wacth adult porn the diffrance is the age

Stuart · 17-03-2004, 20:52

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Just one point on that..... In my work life I have had to rate sites and add blacklists. I have allso worked with the police and CCU looking for these sites. I had to register this fact so that if my searching was reported I could cover my back. You dont want to know about some of the sh$te that I have found in my time

This is off topic, but I had a friend who worked in the Obscene Publications Squad. It was actually his job to watch and categorize all the evidence gathered. We always used to joke with him that he had the best job in the world for a bloke (watching porn and being paid). He said, one day, that the stuff he had to watch was far worse than what you get in the shops (even licenced sex shops), and usually made him physically sick.

There are some sick people around. I actually do think it helps the police to have somebody round who thinks like them, as long as that someone is controlled.

Mr_love_monkey · 17-03-2004, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Graham

So getting enjoyment from watching an adult being killed would mean that "there's something wrong with you", yes...?

So watching a Clint Eastwood/ James Bond/ Rambo/ Schwarzennegger film...?

What?
There is a difference between watching a film that is NOT REAL, and looking at pictures or a film that you know, or believe IS REAL.

I don't see how you can compare watch a film that is fiction, to something watching something as disgusting as a child being killed?

Ramrod · 17-03-2004, 23:39

Now this is a good idea Net chatbots to catch paedophiles

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Net chatrooms are popular with children
Smart software is being used to fool paedophiles into thinking they are talking to children in net chatrooms.

18-03-2004, 02:36

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

There is a difference between watching a film that is NOT REAL, and looking at pictures or a film that you know, or believe IS REAL.

I don't see how you can compare watch a film that is fiction, to something watching something as disgusting as a child being killed?

As I said, right below the section you quoted:

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Originally Posted by Graham

Ah, but *we* can tell the difference and we know that *we* wouldn't do that sort of thing...

... it's *them* that we're worried about...!!

For instance, there are people, real, grown up people, who have threatened, abused, or, indeed, actually *physically attacked* Soap Opera stars because of what their *characters* have done.

They are, it seems, *not* capable of distinguishing between fiction and reality.