another abuser caught

paulyoung666 · 16-03-2004, 18:14

the key should be thrown away for this , sick b@stard

16-03-2004, 18:18

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

the key should be thrown away for this , sick b@stard

this makes me so mad

that people in a position as important as this do something so sick how did he get away with it for so long

i am pleased they finaly caught him though

downquark1 · 16-03-2004, 18:22

How did I know who would post this

17-03-2004, 01:48

It's ironic (and very blackly humorous), but the fact is that this guy might well have been able to give much *more* valuable information about protecting children because his knowledge is not just hypothetical or second hand.

I'm *NOT*, of course, saying that what he did should be condoned in any way, but the concepts of "poacher turned gamekeeper" or "set a theif to catch a theif" aren't new ones by any means.

Pierre · 17-03-2004, 09:09

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the key should be thrown away for this , sick b@stard

And I believe that is the only answer for these people. Paedophilia, apart from being a terrible crime, is not seen as a crime by the people who commit it.

To a paedophile having sex with children is "normal". It is their sexual orientation. You can't cure a paedophile the same way you can't turn a straight person gay or a gay person straight.

Which is why it is ludicrous to let these people back into society, because they WILL reoffend. They will not be able to suppress their urges.

downquark1 · 17-03-2004, 09:20

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Which is why it is ludicrous to let these people back into society, because they WILL reoffend. They will not be able to suppress their urges.

I think that's debatable.

bopdude · 17-03-2004, 09:24

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

the key should be thrown away for this , sick b@stard

Agreed, isn't it ironic that another so called expert ( in whatever field ) has come to light as being a fraud \ unreliable \ dishonest, I could rant on but won't, I just get sick of it all

Stuart · 17-03-2004, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Graham

It's ironic (and very blackly humorous), but the fact is that this guy might well have been able to give much *more* valuable information about protecting children because his knowledge is not just hypothetical or second hand.

I'm *NOT*, of course, saying that what he did should be condoned in any way, but the concepts of "poacher turned gamekeeper" or "set a theif to catch a theif" aren't new ones by any means.

Looking at it from a purely logical point of view, I agree with Graham (after all. this guy actually is a Paedo, so he knows exactly how they operate), and those concepts do work.

Tieing in with Graham's To catch a theif comment (and using an example from my own field of work), I have been taught that the best people to advise on computer security are reformed hackers. However, you have to be careful as they may slip back into their old ways.

I think this guy could still be helpful, but he would need to be closely monitored to make sure he doesn't slip back into his old ways.

Not that I agree with (or condone in any way) what he did. That is sick.

Pierre · 17-03-2004, 09:38

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I think that's debatable.

Well debate it then!!! that is the point of having these forums.

17-03-2004, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Pierre

To a paedophile having sex with children is "normal". It is their sexual orientation. You can't cure a paedophile the same way you can't turn a straight person gay or a gay person straight.

Which is why it is ludicrous to let these people back into society, because they WILL reoffend. They will not be able to suppress their urges.

I have to disagree with that, because it's like saying that, for instance, someone who becomes a Monk would never be able to hold to a vow of celibacy as hetero-sexuality is *their* sexual orientation.

The trick is to help the paedophile understand that, no matter what they, personally, may feel about children, those feelings are *not* reciprocated (unless the child has been groomed/ brainwashed/ coerced) and that acting upon them *will* hurt the child and cause them suffering.

17-03-2004, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Pierre

And I believe that is the only answer for these people. Paedophilia, apart from being a terrible crime, is not seen as a crime by the people who commit it.

To a paedophile having sex with children is "normal". It is their sexual orientation. You can't cure a paedophile the same way you can't turn a straight person gay or a gay person straight.

Which is why it is ludicrous to let these people back into society, because they WILL reoffend. They will not be able to suppress their urges.

The attitude that paeodophilia is wrong is nothing more than societal training. There is no reason to pre-suppose that the appropriate psychological counselling wouldn`t have to potential to reform a paedophile. It has clearly worked on the majority of the population, and while there will always be a percentage of paedophiles who cannot be reformed, there will be a percentage of paedophiles who can.

For those paedophiles, who as you point out cannot see that they are committing a crime, surely you must then also call into question their ability to determine right from wrong, and by extension their sanity. If that is the case, you are condoning giving up entirely on an individual simply because of an illness, albeit one that has terrible consequences for others.

paulyoung666 · 17-03-2004, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Graham

I have to disagree with that, because it's like saying that, for instance, someone who becomes a Monk would never be able to hold to a vow of celibacy as hetero-sexuality is *their* sexual orientation.

The trick is to help the paedophile understand that, no matter what they, personally, may feel about children, those feelings are *not* reciprocated (unless the child has been groomed/ brainwashed/ coerced) and that acting upon them *will* hurt the child and cause them suffering.

fair comment but i am not sure it would work , can anyone find anything to prove or disprove this ???????????

Xaccers · 17-03-2004, 18:27

I'm sure I've asked before but don't remember getting an answer, but is there any evidence of chemical castration removing sexual urges in men?
I know a castrated dog can still get randy, but is it a possible treatment?
Of course its no good with female paedophiles.

Maybe we should just build a time machine and send them back to the greeks.

Russ · 17-03-2004, 18:30

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I'm sure I've asked before but don't remember getting an answer, but is there any evidence of chemical castration removing sexual urges in men?
I know a castrated dog can still get randy, but is it a possible treatment?

Good point. I'm sure that paedophiles use more than just their sexual organs to abuse children.

17-03-2004, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I'm sure I've asked before but don't remember getting an answer, but is there any evidence of chemical castration removing sexual urges in men?
I know a castrated dog can still get randy, but is it a possible treatment?
Of course its no good with female paedophiles.

Maybe we should just build a time machine and send them back to the greeks.

I read an article on the body mod scene that mentioned that surgical castration does not necessarily destroy sexual urges in men, so I guess the same would probably hold true of most forms of chemical castration. But I`m sure that it would be possible to develop a pharmaceutical that could suppress sexual urges through a different mechanism.