In Defense of the Marriage - Page 30

Ignition · 13-02-2004, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Nor

Been meaning to do that test for a while now. Finally got round to it ....

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Same as Gandhi apparantly.

Not much different here tbh,

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

Slightly more left, slightly more libertarian.

13-02-2004, 22:31

For those doing the Political Compass test, I'm splitting this off into a new thread to stop it distracting from this one...

I've moved it into the Lifestyle forum:

http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showt...948#post137948

downquark1 · 14-02-2004, 11:13

Apparently allowing gay marriage will promote anarchy:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...ts&acc&wvx-300

I'm divided on this. I think it is immoral to deny marriage, but I also think democracy must be upheld

I've said before: most people are idiots :pp

Russ · 14-02-2004, 18:12

Thought I'd post this just in case someone might be interested....

Xaccers · 14-02-2004, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Thought I'd post this just in case someone might be interested....

Sorry Russ, I had to smile.

Personally I prefer another kind of spooning

xaq141175 · 14-02-2004, 21:18

Left and Right wing are not references to ideologys, but rather thier establishment of them.

Take Hitler for example ... he started out as a leftwinger as his partys policys were considered 'radical', which means new, liberal, experimental etc.

But when Hitler got into power and had his policys passed into legislation, he became right wing. the policys became part of the establishement and he didn't want them to change, so he was a 'conservative' at that point, he wished to conserve his policys.

This is why Hitler is referred to as right-wing by most historians. It was when he got into power that he became relevant to historic events, not before when he was a liberal. and it was when he got to power that he became dangerous.

In facism though i'm not sure the left/right model applies ... left/right indicates some kind of political contrast, an opposition ... there is no opposition in fascism, so no contrast. nothing to distinguish the left from the right.

BBKing · 14-02-2004, 22:14

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Take Hitler for example ... he started out as a leftwinger as his partys policys were considered 'radical', which means new, liberal, experimental etc.

Oh dear. I did a lot of research to back up my claim that Hitler was right wing from day one, backed by the military, industry and the middle classes and ideologically opposed to the left-wingers who were trying to set up Soviet style socialism in post WWI Germany. It's all there in the history books.

Fascism is the tyranny of the strong and powerful and that inequality is built in at a race level, with powerful races permitted to subjugate or eliminate weaker ones.
The opposite of fascism is a philosophy that everyone starts off equal and power should be given, not taken, i.e. a modern multicultural liberal democratic viewpoint.

xaq141175 · 15-02-2004, 00:47

i agree that hitler was right wing, but he didn't start out that way. my original point of left/right not being linially linked to ideology's is still valid though, hell, the whole concept of it came from the french revolution to explain the seating arrangments of the bougeois and the prolitariats, just like in the house of commons where the government sits to the right of the speaker, and the opposition, the left side.

as far as the definition of fascism is concerned, i'll use the dictionary thanks

**Maggy** · 21-02-2004, 14:06

I see that the Governer of California has weighed in on this issue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3508969.stm

'An imminent risk to civil order'.

Russ · 21-02-2004, 14:12

Hmm, maybe I was wrong about Arnie.

Stuart · 21-02-2004, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I see that the Governer of California has weighed in on this issue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3508969.stm

'An imminent risk to civil order'.

I am sorry, I don't agree that same sex marriages present an imminent risk to civil order.

**Maggy** · 21-02-2004, 14:29

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Originally Posted by scastle

I am sorry, I don't agree that same sex marriages present an imminent risk to civil order.

Niether do I,it was a quote from Arnie.

Stuart · 21-02-2004, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Niether do I,it was a quote from Arnie.

Sorry, got interrupted before I could finish the post. I didn't think you had said it. I was disagreeing with Arnie. not you Incog..

downquark1 · 21-02-2004, 16:49

Someone tried to citizen arrest the mayor of san franscico the other day :o

downquark1 · 24-02-2004, 17:39

Bush calls for constitutional ammendment to prevent gay marriage
video
Fox news article
BBC article