In Defense of the Marriage - Page 22

downquark1 · 12-02-2004, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Conditions 2 and 4 I have a problem with. There is always work is there not? You can walk into McD's and start work tomorrow (as I have done in the past to avoid going on the dole) The problem is that certain people don't want to do certain jobs. But we digress.....sorry

I suggest you spend some time in a jobcentre

Ramrod · 12-02-2004, 15:34

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Originally Posted by downquark1

I suggest you spend some time in a jobcentre

I used to spend a lot of time in the jobcentre (and reading the papers), trying to find less cr*ppy jobs than the ones I was in.

12-02-2004, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

No, they're not harming anyone. Read what I write. No one so far has provided ANY reasons why we should allow gays to marry, and what the benefits to society will be.

Actually people *have* provided reasons, but you don't seem to want to acknowledge them.

Whether you call it marriage or civil union or some other term, gays do *NOT* have the same rights as married couples.

If two people have been living together for their entire lives, if they are not married and one partner dies without having made a will, the other partner has *NO* right to inherit *ANYTHING* from their partner. This can result in them being forced out of their home, or, if the partner was supporting them, being made destitute.

If one dies, even if they *have* made a will, the other does *NOT* have a right to part of the deceased partner's pension.

If one partner is taken into hospital, the other has *NO* right to be consulted on what should happen to them as "Next of kin".

These are just a few examples of the way that gays are discriminated against because they cannot form a legally binding union.

And why should gay marraiges/ unions/ whatever *only* be allowed if they are of *benefit* to society? You have this completely backwards, laws should only be passed *forbidding* something if it is of *detriment* to society.

Xaccers · 12-02-2004, 18:46

I could have swarn a couple of months or so ago Jerrek was actually pro-gay... I even got the impression he was bisexual

Xaccers · 12-02-2004, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Conditions 2 and 4 I have a problem with. There is always work is there not? You can walk into McD's and start work tomorrow (as I have done in the past to avoid going on the dole) The problem is that certain people don't want to do certain jobs. But we digress.....sorry

Just a thought, if you have redundancy insurance on your mortgage and other loans, what happens to the payments if you take a low paid job at McD's?
Do the insurance companies still cover your payments or do they say "ah! you're working so no payments for you!"

**Maggy** · 12-02-2004, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I could have swarn a couple of months or so ago Jerrek was actually pro-gay... I even got the impression he was bisexual

I think he became a born again redne..errr Christian.

**Maggy** · 12-02-2004, 19:30

Oh BTW Graham was the red reps to make me come back and fight you?

Sociable · 12-02-2004, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Oh BTW Graham was the red reps to make me come back and fight you?

I almost red repped you for the earlier ones myself and have actually done so this time as IMHO your post this time deserves it on many levels.

**Maggy** · 12-02-2004, 19:42

That's your perogative Sociable.

Russ · 12-02-2004, 19:44

Wibble f'tang, trimple packet of blue pants.

Nor · 12-02-2004, 19:59

Not had a chance to read through all the thread yet but wanted to say in my experience those people who are majorly anti something are usually trying to deny feelings they hold themselves.

**Maggy** · 12-02-2004, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Wibble f'tang, trimple packet of blue pants.

You ok Russ?

Russ · 12-02-2004, 20:14

Fine thanks, I just thought this debate was getting a little heated so I went for some diverting tactics.

**Maggy** · 12-02-2004, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Fine thanks, I just thought this debate was getting a little heated so I went for some diverting tactics.

Well that's pretty decent of you considering,all in all,that you get more than your fair share of flak in these debates.

Incog.

Ramrod · 12-02-2004, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Nor

Not had a chance to read through all the thread yet but wanted to say in my experience those people who are majorly anti something are usually trying to deny feelings they hold themselves.

So you are saying that I'm gay?