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30-06-2003, 17:59

kill certain unborn children or kill a child that you choose to bring to term, knowing that they wont live a full life and quite probably suffer a lot of pain, live in hospital and generally not have a decent life.

Make it any clearer, i still would prefer to "kill and unborn child"

Your comments may be very true, I beleive in euthanasia.
I beleive in capital punishment. but it also, and I know you havent accused me of being this, doesnt make me wrong.
Perhaps its just a reality I have had to wisen or maybe wake up too.

**Chris** · 30-06-2003, 18:04

OK, I understand which you would prefer to do. Would it be excessively trite of me to invite everyone to list the names of extremely disabled people who have made a major contribution to the world, yet would never have been born if society had considered it right to kill them off to save them from their suffering?

30-06-2003, 18:12

and this list must not include people that have their disabilities, from things such as accidents, illness ie meningitis or MND, alzheimers etc etc. People that were born with their disability only.

Xaccers · 30-06-2003, 18:13

Excuse me, but how many people do you all know that would actually like to design their babies?

Sure, most people I know would accept modifying/selecting their baby's genes in order to cure a genetic illness, but I don't know anyone who'd like to be able to have a 6`7, blonde, green eyed superfast running baby.
They just want a babies that are healthy.

30-06-2003, 18:15

yep true.
But if you listen to this woman, she says basically it was her dream to have a mother daughter relationship, after trying as hard as she did for a daughter, can you really blame her for what she has done? She has achieved one of her lifes dreams.

Xaccers · 30-06-2003, 18:21

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Originally posted by cjll3
A friend of mine's two brother's were both born with a genetic disorder. Are you trying to tell me that they had no right to exist?

Who mentioned anything about saying people with genetic disorders have no right to live???

It's simply saying that if you know you have a high chance of creating children who will have this dissorder, then why shouldn't you choose not to have kids?

It's like saying that people are wrong to use contraception because it denies the life that could have been created.

As said before, if a couple know they carry the gene and it can be repaired then I believe that they should have the option to repair it in any children they produce.
If it can't be repaired, then they should have the choice not to have kids.

Atomic22 · 30-06-2003, 20:36

going through ivf is an ordeal on its own , all the "discarded" eggs will not have been destroyed they will have been frozen , maybe for some other couple that would give anything for the chance of a child.....morals and ethics dont even come into it when youve been there many times , the laws in england are outdated and if the technology is there it should be made available on the nhs , not just for rich people who can afford to go to spain for the ops

ZrByte · 30-06-2003, 23:08

Argg, I just made a really long reply to this thread but I included too many smilies and the whole post had been deleted when I pressed back

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i am saying to you that the only way to save your child is to genetically engineer another one to save the first

Basicly what I said was that if the second child had to die to save the first I would still not do it as I dont see how this is anybetter than the original scenario.

BTW first Post on NTHW.co.uk

paulyoung666 · 30-06-2003, 23:19

did you quote me there , i cant remember

, if you did i reckon you are wrong if i am talking shite then i am sorry , i have had a very bad day , apologies to you if needed

01-07-2003, 10:05

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Originally posted by ZrByte
Basicly what I said was that if the second child had to die to save the first I would still not do it as I dont see how this is anybetter than the original scenario.

Errrr where did the second child dying come into it?

zigatoh · 01-07-2003, 13:36

*Wonders if towny's ever had a tug, and if he's sorry for killing those millions of unborn children if he has...*

**Chris** · 01-07-2003, 13:53

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Originally posted by zigatoh
*Wonders if towny's ever had a tug, and if he's sorry for killing those millions of unborn children if he has...*

[python]
Ev'ry sperm is sacred,
Ev'ry sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate...
[/python]

The song is about Catholics and I aint one ...

I believe life begins at conception. Sperm aren't kids, they're just good swimmers with a head full of incomplete DNA.

zigatoh · 01-07-2003, 14:02

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Originally posted by towny
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I believe life begins at conception. Sperm aren't kids, they're just good swimmers with a head full of incomplete DNA. [/B]

So what problem have you got with messing with the sperm and the egg before they get jiggy with it?

And to everyone in the god squad, we were made with enough intelligence/resources to mess with DNA, so who's to say HE didn't mean for us to do it? (in the same way as computers can be programmed to design better computers for instance).

**Chris** · 01-07-2003, 14:10

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Originally posted by zigatoh
So what problem have you got with messing with the sperm and the egg before they get jiggy with it?

Correct, the egg and the sperm aren't alive, but the resulting child is alive. And that child's entire life is affected by whatever messing went on with the egg and sperm that made them.

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And to everyone in the god squad, we were made with enough intelligence/resources to mess with DNA, so who's to say HE didn't mean for us to do it? (in the same way as computers can be programmed to design better computers for instance).

Since when was 'because I can' a sufficient reason to do anything?

zigatoh · 01-07-2003, 14:25

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Originally posted by towny
Correct, the egg and the sperm aren't alive, but the resulting child is alive. And that child's entire life is affected by whatever messing went on with the egg and sperm that made them.

Since when was 'because I can' a sufficient reason to do anything?

I agree, and once we know what we're doing it could be immeasurably improved.

I never said that at all, i was saying maybe HE wanted us to do it, or can you remind me of the bit in the bible that says genetic engineering is a sin?
HE's obviously an advanced genetic engineer, maybe part of this whole experiment of his (us) is to see what we can do with it...