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[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Now who's picking some bits out of the Bible??

Rather important bits though.
Destroying entire races simply becuase they choose to live a life which you don't want them to?


I know the bible constantly says he is a loving god, but I find very few bits of evidence to support that.
And can anything justify genocide enough to be able to worship the genocider? (sp)
That is one thing I cannot get my head around when it comes to jews/muslims/christians

[kronas]

if enough people want this thread to close then i shall request a closure, because this has just turned in to another 'V religion' thread, not what i intended

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by kronas

if enough people want this thread to close then i shall request a closure, because this has just turned in to another 'V religion' thread, not what i intended

What did you intend kronny?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

What did you intend kronny?

i intended for there to be a discussion about the comments made by the cardinal, and how a continual trend of a 'scare' issue seems to be building towards diffarent lifestyles that dont seem to agree with church leaders, or associates.

if it went slightly towards another related subject then it would be fine, but since i have come back online, it seems it has turned in to another 'prove religion wrong thread'

IMO this is wrong, hence i may put in a request for closure.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by kronas

i intended for there to be a discussion about the comments made by the cardinal, and how a continual trend of a 'scare' issue seems to be building towards diffarent lifestyles that dont seem to agree with church leaders, or associates.

if it went slightly towards another related subject then it would be fine, but since i have come back online, it seems it has turned in to another 'prove religion wrong thread'

IMO this is wrong, hence i may put in a request for closure.

Ah of course, that thread got merged. I was a bit confused then
Whoever meged, report to kink for a good spanking!

Right, to address the homosexual aspect....

The cardinal cannot understand why people are homosexual.
In order to try and understand he has built up an image in his head as to what homosexuals are, ie not normal people but crazed perverts (why else would they do the things they do?)

Originally Posted by Russ D

Re: the last few posts. What people fail to realise is that trying to use science to prove/disprove something which science can never find answers for is folly.

True, it's like trying to use science to convince people that astrology is complete nonsense...

I therefore assume you know little or nothing of the Bible? That's why they resented Jesus y'see....

Well wouldn't you if someone came along and said "Hey, guys, you know your religious texts? Well they're all wrong, see!"

Still, it's not as if Christians would object to such a thing...

Rewritten? I think not. The Bible is rarely described as the undisputed truth (shudder....)

This must be some use of the word "rarely" I wasn't previously aware of!

I'm not even going to *bother* listing some of the many Christian websites out there which frequently and with gusto describe the Bible as the "undisputed truth"!!!

as anyone with a modicum of sense that anything written by man is prone to error, however as it was inspired by God, we get our general guidance from it. It's all down to personal interpritation.

But those sites *know* and can *prove* that *their* version was guided by God (or some other such reasoning) and therefore it is absolutely, completely and utterly TRUE!

How can you say that their faith is wrong?

Originally Posted by Nor

Can someone explain to me the whole thing about jesus being a jew, yet people believe in christianity and not judaism.

Roses are reddish.
Violets are blueish.
If it wasn't for Jesus,
We'd all be Jewish!

Originally Posted by Russ D

Truth in court is what a jury believes it is, therefore it's subjective to them.

I think people may recall I addressed this one some time ago.

Originally Posted by ntluser

As Russ said Christians accept Jesus as their Saviour and follow his teachings just as Buddhists accept Buddha as their saviour and follow his teachings. His nationality does not affect that fact.

Err, Buddhists do not "accept Buddha as their saviour". In fact there is a Zen Koan that states "The Buddha is a piece of toilet paper" (not the sort of thing you'd say about a saviour!)

The point is you do not *have* to accept Buddha as your saviour to become enlightened, indeed you actually have to do entirely the opposite because the enlightenment is *yours*, not his.

The Buddha set out the "Four Noble Truths" and the "Eight-fold Path" but it is not about "belief" it is about action:

The Four Noble Truths:

1. The truth about suffering is that it exists. Life is suffering. Birth, aging and dying is suffering.

2. Our reaching into the world of dreams, our desire to fulfill what cannot be fulfilled is what brings us our suffering.

3. Only when we have broken the mirrors of illusion can we end our suffering, and

4. the Eight-Fold Path can help us to break our habits of suffering.


The Eight-Fold Path:

1. Right Knowledge
* Understand the Four Noble Truths
2. Right Thinking
* Decide to set a life on the correct path
3. Right Speech
* Don't lie
* Don't criticize others unjustly
* Don't use harsh language
* Don't gossip
4. Right Conduct
* Follow the Five Precepts
5. Right Livelihood
* Earn a living that does not harm living things
6. Right Effort
* Conquer all evil thoughts
* Strive to maintain good thoughts
7. Right Mindfulness
* Become intensely aware of all the states in body, feeling, and mind.
8. Right Concentration
* Deep meditation to lead to a higher state of consciousness (enlightenment)

See http://www.boloji.com/buddhism/00110.htm for example for more information.

[Flubflow]

Are we nearly there yet?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Are we nearly there yet?

Type faster graham, we need you to catch up

Look, it's not my fault if I take a few hours off for insignificant things like having a life and you lot decide to double the size of the thread...!!!

[Ben]

Thread closed on request of thread starter.