64 year old to recieve punishment for racism

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by stamp92

I am not sure whether you might also be implying that the royal family has roots in other countries like germany etc. This was many years ago. And even if the royal family is made of up of very mixed up blood so what. That doesnt make the british people mixed up blood. So what if we are mixed up blood we have lived together for centuries and interbreeded with each other and not foreign countries.

Not so many years ago if you think about it. The Duke of Edinburgh was born a Greek and his great grandfather was Danish.

I am British and proud of it and have a lot of coloured friends who are also British and proud of it. There are a hell of a lot of UK residents whose parents or grandparents were from other countries but you cannot tell that from looking at them as they are white and speak English. When I lived in West Yorkshire I had a very good friend who was a dentist in Heckmondwike (home of Kronas). I was once in his surgery after hours and heard two people talking in the next room. One of them had a very strong Glaswegian accent, the other a very broad Yorkshire accent. When I entered that room what do you think I saw? Two very black men, one being the dentists Uncle, the other was Charlie Williams (black comedian from Barnsley) father. They were both British.

[Nor]

Quoting from this article on the BBC website.

[stamp92]

Originally Posted by Russ D

The problem these days is as soon as you appear to love Britain, the trouble-makers out there automatically take this to mean you hate other nations.

Very Well Said.

Originally Posted by Nor

Personally I think anyone should be allowed to move and live in Britain. I don't really care what colour, race, religion peopl are that live here but I'd want people to move here to have to fulfil certain criteria. If people want to move to Britain to live and work, they should be forced to learn English and I'd also like to see people become British Citizens.

I think one of the major problems with people immigrating to any country is integration. If those moving to Britain could speak English it would help everyone to integrate. Just as I dislike the way the English (scots probably do it too) move abroad and create little England I dislike the way people move to Britain and create their own little community within a city. We should all be living together, mixed and integrated, perhaps then we wouldn't have as many them and us scenarios.

So.... let people move to Britain if.. they learn English, they are a benefit to the country and will integrate with the British and respect the British culture rather than expect Brits to accomodate them. If I moved to France, I'd learn French and abide by their culture, I wouldn't expect everyone to go out of their way to accomodate me and it should be the same here.

I agree about learning English or whatever language is used in the country you want to immigrate to. i agree that when we english etc move abroad we make our own little communities but that is just why i believe immigration doesnt work. we see in our own actions how we cannot mix with other cultures. please understand me i am not applying this to everyone but what i feel is the majority. i agree about learning french if moving to france etc.

Originally Posted by aliferste

So what about Black scottish/english/welsh people?

Sometimes I think that people think that everyone they see that is non white is a "foreigner"

i think what you are asking me is do i apply the term foreigner to only black. are my views directed towards black people.

the answer to those questions is no. colour of skin has nothing to do with it. being a foreigner means living in a country that isnt your ancestory home land. for example a german living in france or a dutch living in england.

something your comments have got me thinking about is why i have less objection to dutch and french and german etc. well i would say its because those countries are somewhat similar to ours in that they are democratic and civilised. the countries i really dont like receiving immigrants and asylum seekers from are non democratic countries and uncivilised countries because they do crazy things. take for example that man in the muslim father whose daughter was dating an asylum seeker. he tried to break of the relationship but when his attempts failed he pretended to support the relationship, he got the asylum seeker job in his factory and then he hung him or something in the factory. the point im making is yes british people have evil tendencies but we are more civilised than other nations. there is a danger in immigration that u bring people who are uncivilised from uncivilised nations and they bring our country down.

Originally Posted by Popeye

what worries me is if
you even say 'British'
or display a union jack

it is immediately pounced on as being 'racist'
in some quarters"

indeed.

[Popeye]

what worries me is if
you even say 'British'
or display a union jack

it is immediately pounced on as being 'racist'
in some quarters

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by Popeye

what worries me is if
you even say 'British'
or display a union jack

it is immediately pounced on as being 'racist'
in some quarters

I think the reason the Union Jack causes so much debate is the fact that is it viewed by many as an imposed "Union".
Many Welsh, Scots and certainly a large proportion of Irish people living in Northern Ireland do not wish to be a part of this union. I think the mistake that many union flag flyers make is that they think it is an English flag. Of course the St George flag is the flag of England. The Union flag is a flag of the British "union"

I find it amusing that many people who fly the Union flag and are ultra defensive in defending the imposed "union" are often the most vocal about NOT joining a European union.

Anyway i agree with earlier comments that this situation has gone too far. Of course the Old lady is bang out of order like, but did this really need the police to intervene?
I dont think so. IMHO it will only serve to increase tension and feed the right wing element who will twist it round.
An apology and forcing the two people to sit down for a cup of tea would have been a better answer.

I refer you all to my signiture

Incog.

[bigboab5]

Originally Posted by Russ D

It's not racist at all to say that many people have problems understanding scottish accents, especially Glasgow dialects!

Russ it was a joke (notice the lol). Sometimes things can be taken the wrong way and folks just... oh well you know what I mean.....

bigboab

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by stamp92

t
the countries i really dont like receiving immigrants and asylum seekers from are non democratic countries and uncivilised countries because they do crazy things.



indeed.

Not that long ago a school caretaker white, british killed two young girls in this country.....a man walked into a school with a shotgun and started killing kids ,white british. A doctor killed over 200 patients.....white british!!

Like nothing crazy happens in this ole country eh?

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I refer you all to my signiture

Incog.

I wish it were that simple!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by stamp92

People should be allowed the right to express their opinions publicly - thats free speech.

OK. In theory that is true. She also pushed her trolley into the other women. That is assault.

I fully understand Mrs Davies feelings. I feel the same in that I dont like people living in any country other than their ancestral homeland. I understand the reason why people want to be in britain but my answer to that is that we should be workig towards a world where everyone can enjoy the same prosperity, peace and security where there are no refugees fleeing from persecution, people suffering famines etc etc

Sadly, there are very few people in this country who are from their ancestral homeland. Nost families have people from another country in their line of descent.

I do agree that we should be working towards a world with no persecution though.

I don't condone Mrs Davies actions in verbally abusing this woman or any physical action she took against her that is wrong. I can understand why Mrs Davies took the action she took because nobody listens to those who want britain for the british people.

While I do agree that we should have tighter immigration rules, I think that this woman has set this cause back by attacking somebody who may actually have been born in this country (and therefore be legally British). Assuming somebody comes from a country because they look like they do can be wrong.

My reply to those of you who label my comments racist is the same words of the Sunday Express Editor. "The word 'racism' is bandied about like a political hand-grenade to silence debate."

The word "racism" is used too easily. What the elderly woman said was racist, but I haven't seen anything in this thread I would consider racist.

[Nor]

I don't think what she said was racist though. Its not racist to hate people because you think (however untrue it might be) they are coming to your country and taking jobs, houses and money without having contributed for the last 50 years. Its racist to hate them because of their race.

[Flubflow]

I have said this before, although probably not here...
I have absolutely no problem with racial minorities fighting for equality. What I do have a problem with is those minorities expecting additional payback in lieu of all the years of inequality due to the ignorance of previous generations (and using religion as an excuse). Pretty much the same applies with equality between the sexes.
To you minorities, you should expect equality and no more.

Just my 2p worth.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Nor

I don't think what she said was racist though.

But then you have got to admit, all the evidance kinda points towards that though!

[Nor]

Originally Posted by aliferste

But then you have got to admit, all the evidance kinda points towards that though!

No mate because there is a difference between hating someone because you think they are getting something you aren't, ie money, housing, jobs, nhs treatment cos they are coming from another country (the view that alot of people have because of the media) and actually hating someone and abusing them because of their race.

I'm not in any way condoning what she did, she was well out of order thinking she can abuse someone but I think we too quickly jump to the conclusion of racism.

[stamp92]

Originally Posted by Nor

No mate because there is a difference between hating someone because you think they are getting something you aren't, ie money, housing, jobs, nhs treatment cos they are coming from another country (the view that alot of people have because of the media) and actually hating someone and abusing them because of their race.

i definately agree with that and i think sadly that is a distinction which isnt recognised by many people. i often get misinterepreted as racist when i express my views.