64 year old to recieve punishment for racism

[Nor]

I'd say that older people have more engrained racist views than the young. Anyway... onto the topic.

The thing is, there is a difference between hating people from the third world because there is a perception that they are coming to this country and taking our jobs, houses and money and hating them because of their race. I'd say its likely this lady hates them because of the former. But thats for the courts to decide. I do think 'racist' is used far too often these days and it only serves to hurt the people who suffer genuine racism.

[Marge]

The surgery I used to work for had a very high Asian patient list, usually the only problem was the language barrier which could be overcome with sign language and patience !! One morning an Asian chap kept coming to the counter every couple of minutes wanting to know why the doctor was taking so long, when was it his turn? I advised him that the doctor would call when he was ready and that there was always a wait for this GP. He then literally stormed out saying he would ring for a home visit. About 10 minutes later a woman rang asking for a visit. We always asked who the visit was for and a brief idea why. The caller then launched into a volley of abuse, called my friend who had answered a "fecking white biatch" how she was going to beat the sh*t out of her etc etc and said she was this chaps niece. A decision was taken by the GP's to remove this family from the list. Lo and behold a couple of weeks later the surgery receive a letter from the GMC saying that we were being accused of racial harrassment and racial abuse !!! I had to make a statement, solicitors were involved and then to top it all the family said they would drop the case if we would let them back on the surgery list !!

Racism can definately work both ways but it would seem from experience that abuse to "white" people isn't taken seriously. It would seem to me that the whole issue has gotten totally out of hand. Would there have been so much outrage if an Arab reporter had ****ged the British people off in an Arab newspaper, I think perhaps not.

Originally Posted by stamp92

I fully understand Mrs Davies feelings. I feel the same in that I dont like people living in any country other than their ancestral homeland.

First off, I don`t see you as having made a racist statement here as you are not attacking any group on the basis of race. Just making sure we don`t get any confusion here as to where my question is coming from.

But I personally don`t understand why you have an objection to people living in a country other than their country of birth? Can you explain a bit more your philosophy behind that statement? Ta.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by stamp92

I fully understand Mrs Davies feelings. I feel the same in that I dont like people living in any country other than their ancestral homeland.

How many UK residents can say that the UK is their ancestral homeland? If you go back far enough you will probably find that most are descended from people who were born elsewhere. The same goes for most countries, particularly the developed countries. If you were to trace your family tree back and found that you were a descendant of a Viking family would you give up your British citizenship and leave the country?

[stamp92]

Well I have been having a debate with my father about the same question that you have asked.

I just want to live with my country men, fellow english and welsh and scottish people. I dont believe that cultures can intermingle succesfully.

i believe there will always be clashes and problems. Take for example the crazy situation in london of that muslim cleric who has been stopped from preaching in his church against us and uk's stance against terrorism and terrorist states. this is a man who has come into the country on by our poor aslyum system. now he preaches in street and the police have to watch him. i believe if people are immigrated they should support the country they are wanting to live in not fight against it. their should be loyalty

i want to live with my countrysmen because they have the same culture and language as me. they are loyal to britain. i think its crazy when we hear on the news of richard reed, a british man planting a shoe bomb. he's not british. no english, welsh, scottish man would do such a thing. i dont think intergration works because you cant make people change their loyalty to britain.

i want to marry an english, welsh, scottish girl who speaks my language. i want english, welsh, scottish children.

i have nothing against any foreigners. i hope they can enjoy the same things i love in their countries such as democracy and freedom.

i know that u will say something like...what abt americans living in britain. i have less objection to an american living in britian. this is not racist. going back to my argument abt culture,loyalty and language. the americans speak english, there are so many similarities in our culture. we are both christian nations. many great english men have made america what it is today in its thinking and politics. the americans send people to our univercities and we send people to theirs. we easily intermingle and marry.

yes foreigners can live here. i would have least objection if the following could be said of them. they are law abiding citizens who pledge allegiance to great britain. they all learn to speak english and never speak another language again. this is not being unfair as i would say if i went to france and wanted to live their i should learn french and never speak english again. the same goes for all countries when u want to become a citzen of that country.

foreigners can contribute to our economy, education system, health system etc. i acknoweldge these things. providing they adapt to our culture, language and are loyal to our country i have less objection to these people.

i love my countrymen. that doesnt mean i hate other nationalities but i have loyalty to britain. you are all my flesh and blood. i would fight with u to protect what we love about our country.

i love the british culture. its what i am. its what my ancestors have been. i dont want foreigners to change britain. i am proud of our history as a nation. there are somethings of course that i am not proud of like for example the slave trade and many other things but i hope you understand my point. i leave you to think of examples of things you love about your country britain.

[ian@huth]

Hey stamp92, what do you think of the British Royal family? Think about it!

[Russ]

The problem these days is as soon as you appear to love Britain, the trouble-makers out there automatically take this to mean you hate other nations.

[Nor]

Personally I think anyone should be allowed to move and live in Britain. I don't really care what colour, race, religion peopl are that live here but I'd want people to move here to have to fulfil certain criteria. If people want to move to Britain to live and work, they should be forced to learn English and I'd also like to see people become British Citizens.

I think one of the major problems with people immigrating to any country is integration. If those moving to Britain could speak English it would help everyone to integrate. Just as I dislike the way the English (scots probably do it too) move abroad and create little England I dislike the way people move to Britain and create their own little community within a city. We should all be living together, mixed and integrated, perhaps then we wouldn't have as many them and us scenarios.

So.... let people move to Britain if.. they learn English, they are a benefit to the country and will integrate with the British and respect the British culture rather than expect Brits to accomodate them. If I moved to France, I'd learn French and abide by their culture, I wouldn't expect everyone to go out of their way to accomodate me and it should be the same here.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by stamp92

Well I have been having a debate with my father about the same question that you have asked.

I just want to live with my country men, fellow english and welsh and scottish people. I dont believe that cultures can intermingle succesfully.

i want to live with my countrysmen because they have the same culture and language as me. they are loyal to britain.

i want to marry an english, welsh, scottish girl who speaks my language. i want english, welsh, scottish children.

i have nothing against any foreigners. i hope they can enjoy the same things i love in their countries such as democracy and freedom.

f

So what about Black scottish/english/welsh people?

Sometimes I think that people think that everyone they see that is non white is a "foreigner"

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Nor

Personally I think anyone should be allowed to move and live in Britain. I don't really care what colour, race, religion peopl are that live here but I'd want people to move here to have to fulfil certain criteria. If people want to move to Britain to live and work, they should be forced to learn English and I'd also like to see people become British Citizens.

I think one of the major problems with people immigrating to any country is integration. If those moving to Britain could speak English it would help everyone to integrate. Just as I dislike the way the English (scots probably do it too) move abroad and create little England I dislike the way people move to Britain and create their own little community within a city. We should all be living together, mixed and integrated, perhaps then we wouldn't have as many them and us scenarios.

So.... let people move to Britain if.. they learn English, they are a benefit to the country and will integrate with the British and respect the British culture rather than expect Brits to accomodate them. If I moved to France, I'd learn French and abide by their culture, I wouldn't expect everyone to go out of their way to accomodate me and it should be the same here.

I agree with you.......and that is in fact the system in place for immigration!

The problem is that too many people think that asylum seekers are immigrating here (although lets not start that old argument again)

Originally Posted by stamp92

i believe there will always be clashes and problems. Take for example the crazy situation in london of that muslim cleric who has been stopped from preaching in his church against us and uk's stance against terrorism and terrorist states. this is a man who has come into the country on by our poor aslyum system. now he preaches in street and the police have to watch him.

See, I have a problem with statements like this as it looks at the issues in far to simplistic a manner. It's so simple to lump all problems of this nature as being issues of the asylum system. From the description you have given I`m assuming that you are talking about Abu Hamza. He did *not* come to this country as an asylum speaker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2668343.stm

[stamp92]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

How many UK residents can say that the UK is their ancestral homeland? If you go back far enough you will probably find that most are descended from people who were born elsewhere. The same goes for most countries, particularly the developed countries. If you were to trace your family tree back and found that you were a descendant of a Viking family would you give up your British citizenship and leave the country?

Everyone has there own opinion and sometimes the reason for one's opinion is personal as opposed to factual. For example someone who has had a car accident might be more passionate about the dangers of driving than someone who hasnt had an accident.

I am writing to persuade and some people might be persuaded by my reasoning but some people cannot be swayed.

My reply to you is that yes some of us come from celts and some from saxons and normans and vikings but for many hundreds of years we have lived together on this island as the british nation. It has taken years of adjustment and change, at times even civil war to get us to get on together but though we (british) come from different sources (vikings, celts, saxons and normans etc) there are closer ties in our ancestory roots than between our ancestory roots and other nations.

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Hey stamp92, what do you think of the British Royal family? Think about it!

I think what you are trying to imply is that the Royal Family has brought shame on the british people. My answer to that is that is that the Royal family are people just like us. I don't expect them to be immune from corruption and immorality. Some members of the Royal family will be more moraly upright than others just as some people in our society will be more moraly upright than others.

I am not sure whether you might also be implying that the royal family has roots in other countries like germany etc. This was many years ago. And even if the royal family is made of up of very mixed up blood so what. That doesnt make the british people mixed up blood. So what if we are mixed up blood we have lived together for centuries and interbreeded with each other and not foreign countries.

[Nor]

Condemned by many Muslims as too extreme

Why doesn't it say, condemed by Muslims cos he's fecking wrong and a racist. I hate that word extreme. Its like saying, yeah he's right, but he's abit too vociferous about it.

[stamp92]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

See, I have a problem with statements like this as it looks at the issues in far to simplistic a manner. It's so simple to lump all problems of this nature as being issues of the asylum system. From the description you have given I`m assuming that you are talking about Abu Hamza. He did *not* come to this country as an asylum speaker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2668343.stm

Yes I was talking about Abu Hamza. I notice he didnt come in through asylum but I wasn't intending to focus on the asylum system. It matters the same however they come to our country. Abu Hamza I see came here because he married a british woman.

i am not just criticising the asylum system. i am also criticising the rule where you can immigrate to a country through marriage. i am criticising any way in which foreigners enter the country.

I dont propose any solution to the problem or pretend I have all the answers. I just hope, as I trust do others, that things improve with the asylum system and other immigration systems.

In the case of this Abu Hamza we could not have guessed that he was going to be such a wicked man, he justified the 9/11 attacks. i dont suggest any way to solve the problem of how do u know if an immigrant will turn against his country.

[stamp92]

Originally Posted by Nor

Why doesn't it say, condemed by Muslims cos he's fecking wrong and a racist. I hate that word extreme. Its like saying, yeah he's right, but he's abit too vociferous about it.

Can you clarify who you quoting please.