Superhub Superhub 2 - Page 85

General Maximus · 22-01-2015, 20:59

that just sounds too good to be true. Given how technology is progressing and how tech savvy people are becoming I think it makes sense for VM to move back to a standalone gateway and then supply standalone branded routers if they want to (like they did with the dlink and netgear). I think it is an excellent compromise between them wanting standardised cpe for tech support and still allowing customers to use their own routers if they want to. After all these years they might have finally realised that the shub is just too much hassle. I feel sorry for the guys who are just banging out firmware all the time.

Sephiroth · 22-01-2015, 21:28

Arris?

General Maximus · 22-01-2015, 22:16

http://www.arrisi.com/products/home/sbg6782-ac.asp

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I am not enthused atm. I haven't got time for a proper look atm but all their modems say speeds of up to 384mbits or 160. I am not seeing anything beefy atm.

Got it: http://www.arrisi.com/products/product.asp?id=5016

Ignitionnet · 22-01-2015, 23:10

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

I am not enthused atm. I haven't got time for a proper look atm but all their modems say speeds of up to 384mbits or 160. I am not seeing anything beefy atm.

Got it: http://www.arrisi.com/products/product.asp?id=5016

http://www.arrisi.com/product_catalo...DG2470A_DS.pdf

The TG2472 is the same kit but in EMTA form - can do telephony over cable too.

Both will happily max out their 1Gbps Ethernet ports from their cable interfaces.

Sephiroth · 22-01-2015, 23:23

Ah - telephony over cable. Now that raises an eyebrow or two (three if had the extra eye). If that's the way VM are heading the modem would need battery backup and QoS for the conversation. Hmmmm.

qasdfdsaq · 22-01-2015, 23:36

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The Superusers on the VM Forum rather thought they needed the RAM for other operational features.

Errr... lol. It uses no more RAM than the 'feature' that blinks the lights when there's activity.

Sephiroth · 22-01-2015, 23:52

You scoff, Qasi. But there were menu options & acting on the options for the LEDs all conducted via RAM. Whether a small amount or not, it was surmised that they needed to take something out to put something else in. Like a fix to one or two of the SH2 firmware bugs.

Sort of thing.

qasdfdsaq · 23-01-2015, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You scoff, Qasi. But there were menu options & acting on the options for the LEDs all conducted via RAM. Whether a small amount or not, it was surmised that they needed to take something out to put something else in. Like a fix to one or two of the SH2 firmware bugs.

Sort of thing.

Sounds like the coders are still as incompetent as ever then.

General Maximus · 23-01-2015, 09:30

sweet, is that the kind of think you think we can expect given that Comcast are using it as well?

horseman · 23-01-2015, 16:57

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.... I suspect they'll go for a vanilla Gateway .....

Makes a change from another lemon..... :p

Sephiroth · 23-01-2015, 17:17

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Makes a change from another lemon..... :p

You're still alive Horsey. How'd you manage that?

Kushan · 23-01-2015, 17:24

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

that just sounds too good to be true. Given how technology is progressing and how tech savvy people are becoming I think it makes sense for VM to move back to a standalone gateway and then supply standalone branded routers if they want to (like they did with the dlink and netgear). I think it is an excellent compromise between them wanting standardised cpe for tech support and still allowing customers to use their own routers if they want to. After all these years they might have finally realised that the shub is just too much hassle. I feel sorry for the guys who are just banging out firmware all the time.

Unfortunately, for every person who laments having to use a hub in modem mode, there are 3 or 4 users who hate having two separate devices taking up two separate plug sockets. I have no issue with the hubs myself, as long as they have modem mode. There's really no difference between the standalone CPE and a Hub in modem mode. That's the real best of both.

qasdfdsaq · 23-01-2015, 18:18

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Unfortunately, for every person who laments having to use a hub in modem mode, there are 3 or 4 users who hate having two separate devices taking up two separate plug sockets.

Pfft. Tape the devices together and use a splitter. You'll probably end up with a combined device that's smaller, better performing, and more efficient.

Sephiroth · 23-01-2015, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Unfortunately, for every person who laments having to use a hub in modem mode, there are 3 or 4 users who hate having two separate devices taking up two separate plug sockets. I have no issue with the hubs myself, as long as they have modem mode. There's really no difference between the standalone CPE and a Hub in modem mode. That's the real best of both.

You sure of those stats, Kush?

Surely nobody in modem mode laments that fact. Quite the opposite - most would say it's the best thing they could have done.

There are indeed people who (unwisely IMO) stick their head in the sand and go on about the woes of having two devices. Well, either they want decent Internet or they must suffer the SH. That said, barring the lack of router settings functions, the SH2ac is a credible and well performing gateway device.

Other than that piece of nit picking on my part, we are obviously in agreement.

Kushan · 23-01-2015, 19:41

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You sure of those stats, Kush?

Surely nobody in modem mode laments that fact. Quite the opposite - most would say it's the best thing they could have done.

There are people on this very forum who would cry "Pry my VMNG300 from my cold, dead hands!" even after the Superhub's modem mode became available.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There are indeed people who (unwisely IMO) stick their head in the sand and go on about the woes of having two devices. Well, either they want decent Internet or they must suffer the SH. That said, barring the lack of router settings functions, the SH2ac is a credible and well performing gateway device.

Other than that piece of nit picking on my part, we are obviously in agreement.

It's always worth keeping in mind that the vast majority of virgin customers (or rather, any ISP) are not tech savvy power users. They don't realise that having one single device means they're getting a poor experience, at best they just want convenience and part of that convenience is having to only give up one plug and one bit of shelf space (Or behind-the-tv space). It sounds daft to anyone who cares about performance or needs something beyond opening a few ports but that's the reality - most people don't want or care about that, they just want to get online with the least amount of effort.