1GB Cap Letter!!!! - Page 56

mrlipring · 06-04-2005, 23:01

I guess so, but it would still be easy to go over your 1GB/day limit with some gaming, browsing, downloading and stuff. 1GB ain't all that much these days.

ynwa · 06-04-2005, 23:16

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Originally Posted by mrlipring

I guess so, but it would still be easy to go over your 1GB/day limit with some gaming, browsing, downloading and stuff. 1GB ain't all that much these days.

true. Web sites are bigger. they contain more videos. Sony wants to make DVDs available for download etc etc. the internet is moving on, NTLs caps are moving back.

samuel · 06-04-2005, 23:33

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Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

Precisely this was a carefully thought out plan by NTL. If samuel had been kind enough to actually read my posts carefully he would of realised YES i blame my self for the downloading/uploading i do but ultimately NTL knew what amount users were downloading and they decided to take new customers over old ones...

I did read your post carefully. So, Ntl are doing the responsible thing aren't they - trying to stop people doing the 'wrong' thing and putting a limit on what people can download/upload. Therefore they are the ones trying to do the right thing. Your point kind of works in the opposite then....

jonifen · 06-04-2005, 23:35

exactly what ive been thinking for a while.
Any large downloads that I get I leave to go overnight anyway. I'm actually going to download debian tonight if I remember before going to bed as I wouldnt mind learning a bit about that for a job I'm looking at applying for. (Off topic - Anyone know which debian release would be best to try?)

When I do download large things like this, I always tend to do it overnight as less people are using the network so it should go through without any problems. Surely NTL will be taking this into account with people before they send out the letters?

OinkyBoinky · 06-04-2005, 23:39

exactly how illegal is it to download television programs, and is it one of these things that are highly being chased up, with groups prosecuting people...

I don't just mean the law... but is it widely countered... i mean technically its illegal to record a program on vhs, then lend to someone else, or keep a copy of it to watch over and over again... but this isn't exactly someone gets arrested for knower days...

Pia · 06-04-2005, 23:41

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Originally Posted by piaswales

I don't see the problem here

Ntl have not enforced a 'strict cap' as yet or so i am led to believe.
Well....this is a quote from the ntl usage allowance faq:

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Pretty self explanatory to me.
I presume the same goes for the 1 gb a day cap. I am not worried about going over the cap, if people want to then they won't really lose out, they may just have to pay extra money, or upgrade.

like i say, i am not convinced ntl are going to be enforcing such a strict cap that everyone seems to be worried about.

jonifen · 06-04-2005, 23:43

TV programmes... I suppose its down to the people who made the programme.
I was looking at football sites earlier and they had some goals for download. However, Granada TV had banned the site from allowing Liverpool and Arsenal goals from being hosted because of Granada's dealings with each club.

Its similar to using a VCR, but I suppose the sharing aspect of it could be frowned upon.

I'm sure you'll get the snipers on here out for your neck for using bandwidth on large illegal files and you're making everyone else's internet lives a nightmare etc etc etc (sorry, couldnt resist... I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed this)

mrlipring · 07-04-2005, 04:00

Our license fees pay for the BBC content. If i miss a show, i should be able to download it. I've paid for it. Other providers, that's another matter.

07-04-2005, 05:13

1gb really isnt a lot thesr days, I subscribe to ign.com insider channel mainly for the video reviews of games, each one can be about 250mb long. Thats a quarter of my download limit gone.

the only thing i do is to download those over night, especially if they have any extra large ones like 500+mb. If this really is unnaceptable to NTL, then i would have to move as its not illegal videos or warez etc.

I dont know what caps i have on comcast in the place in dallas, but i know i get a 6mb/768 for less money!

jonifen · 07-04-2005, 11:22

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Originally Posted by mrlipring

Our license fees pay for the BBC content. If i miss a show, i should be able to download it. I've paid for it. Other providers, that's another matter.

True... but things like Neighbours (if people still watch it) is owned by some Aussie channel, so that kinda thing would be exempt from that I'm sure as the copyright etc is owned by someone else.
BBC's own programmes I'm sure would come under your theory though... cant say 100% though.

SMHarman · 07-04-2005, 11:55

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Originally Posted by mrlipring

Our license fees pay for the BBC content. If i miss a show, i should be able to download it. I've paid for it. Other providers, that's another matter.

Would you be happy for your licence fee to go up to cover the costs of the BBC buying the bandwidth at the other end?

Chrysalis · 07-04-2005, 14:45

Downloading TV that is shown on free to air channels is not strictly illegal I think, Anime is another debatable one, porn is legal and can come in full length movie size, Music videos are legal, Movie trailers are legal, TV streaming is legal, Online Radio channels are legal, Transferring digital camcorder footage is legal, Transferring high quality family photos is legal, Downloading Apps/Linux isos is legal, Downloading Games can be legal eg. steam, Downloading game demos is legal, Backing up your hard drive to gmail is legal

, the list is endless it took me 30 secs to think of this lot.

jonifen · 07-04-2005, 15:00

I know the MPAA or whoever aint gonna come knockin at your door for backing your HDD up to gmail, but gmail may terminate your account if you fill their mailbox up quickly

As for TV programmes... BBC wont be hosting the programmes, its usually hosted by individuals on websites etc, so BBC wont have to pay for bandwidth, therefore could let it go that people are downloading their programmes instead of watching it on TV when it was originally on.
As for programmes like Friends and ER which are re-transmitted on Channel 4 - they may not be legal to download... Friends in particular as it is available on DVD. ER isnt owned by Ch4, so like I mentioned Neighbours earlier... same could apply.

Stuart · 07-04-2005, 15:42

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Originally Posted by mrlipring

Our license fees pay for the BBC content. If i miss a show, i should be able to download it. I've paid for it. Other providers, that's another matter.

I think you'll find your licence fees pay for the right to watch the show on a BBC controlled source (such as a TV channel, website etc). I read somewhere that even videoing a show is slightly dodgy, although tolerated.

mrlipring · 07-04-2005, 16:28

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Would you be happy for your licence fee to go up to cover the costs of the BBC buying the bandwidth at the other end?

I don't even know what you're asking here.

What bandwidth? Why would the BBC be paying for it? The other end of what?

My license fee pays for the creation of many bbc-made tv shows, radio shows, documentaries etc.

I've got to pay the license fee, even though i've not listened to the radio for months. I don't watch cbbc or cbeebies, yet i'm paying for them. I don't mind. I like the BBC content. BBC3, in particular, shows some excellent comedy. I'm not always about to watch it though. Sure, i'll set it to record, but i can only record one channel at a time, and if there's something on another bbc channel, at the same time, that i want to see, i can't. So if i can, i download it.

My flatmate was out when Doctor Who Ep2 was on. I downloaded it. All is well.

Downloading things from a commercial tv station (Friends, the bill, fifth gear etc) is on dodgy ground, because these stations rely on you watching the shows, and the ads, and that's where they get their money, advertising revenue. If you're downloading a show, the ads have been cut out, so you're not watching them, but the same could be said for having recorded the show, and fast forwarding through the adverts.

I will not watch adverts where possible. I'll pause TV for 5 minutes, then resume it, so i can fast forward through adverts when they appear. I don't want to see michael ****ing winner, bank tellers singing, or to be told about the wonders of canestan, thankyou.

I download TV shows, because i want to be able to watch them when i want, not have it dictated to me by marketing men and analysts, just because the show appeals to a certain type of person who watches at such and such a time, or just because it's been scheduled to compete with a rival station's flagship show.

I download TV shows because i'm impatient, and don't want to wat 6 months for them to be shown here. If i care about something enough to watch and download every episode, i'll buy the DVDs when they're released. Like Lost.

I download TV shows because they might not even BE shown over here.

TBH, i don't CARE about the legality of it, but in the BBC's case, i think it's morally acceptable, and that's what matters to me.

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Originally Posted by scastle

I think you'll find your licence fees pay for the right to watch the show on a BBC controlled source (such as a TV channel, website etc). I read somewhere that even videoing a show is slightly dodgy, although tolerated.

I'm not talking about what rights the BBC afford us. They take our money whether we watch their services or not. They make shows with our money. They don't get money from advertising, etc. We pay for it. I'll do what i want with it. Their lawyers can contact me if they want me to stop.