07-01-2016, 10:43
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
I'd still argue that it puts a company at a significant competitive disadvantage if it doesn't wholly own its user experience when its biggest competition and those out to disrupt the market (Netflix, Amazon, Apple) all do.
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07-01-2016, 11:17
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Sky design their own software,
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You mean the one that they screwed Tivo over for 
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07-01-2016, 11:20
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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I'd still argue that it puts a company at a significant competitive disadvantage if it doesn't wholly own its user experience when its biggest competition and those out to disrupt the market (Netflix, Amazon, Apple) all do.
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I'd say in part it will. eg BT and Youview being a prime example. Terrible GUI and rubbish hardware. BT just use it they didn't degign it or add anything to it.
But with VM they set the specs of the hardware and put it out to tender a contract and also have a contract with TiVo and are both actively involved in making changes and requesting changes/fixes/updates.
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07-01-2016, 11:44
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by Stephen
I'd say in part it will. eg BT and Youview being a prime example. Terrible GUI and rubbish hardware. BT just use it they didn't degign it or add anything to it.
But with VM they set the specs of the hardware and put it out to tender a contract and also have a contract with TiVo and are both actively involved in making changes and requesting changes/fixes/updates.
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I'd disagree completely the Youview is an excellent experience.
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07-01-2016, 12:04
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by muppetman11
I'd disagree completely the Youview is an excellent experience.
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I believe at one time. you couldn't add padding to Youview box recordings, it relied solely on a DEPG. is that still the case? DEPGs without the ability to turn them off and add padding to a recording wouldn't work for me.
And what about lifelong series links?
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07-01-2016, 12:17
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by passingbat
I believe at one time. you couldn't add padding to Youview box recordings, it relied solely on a DEPG. is that still the case? DEPGs without the ability to turn them off and add padding to a recording wouldn't work for me.
And what about lifelong series links?
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I have absolutely no idea nor do I particularly care , the box records everything I've asked of it and is very intuitive to use. I think your general use and mine probably differ some.
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07-01-2016, 12:18
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by Stephen
But with VM they set the specs of the hardware and put it out to tender a contract and also have a contract with TiVo and are both actively involved in making changes and requesting changes/fixes/updates.
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Back when Virgin Media was an independent company it certainly seemed to be the case that there was a healthy relationship with TiVo. And what usually happens when one company's success is dependent on technology from another is that the former ends up taking a stake in the latter to minimise the risks and ensure their requirements are properly met. I expected that to happen with VM and TiVo - and I imagine TiVo's investors saw an eventual full buyout by VM as a potential exit for the business too. However, since the Liberty Global takeover the focus seems to have changed and the low-profit TV side in the UK has been neglected while TiVo's strategy seems to have returned to focussing on customers of their own hardware. That's why I'm doubtful of any big improvements to TV while LG continue to own the business.
I'd also agree with Muppetman that YouView has one of the better STB UIs out there.
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07-01-2016, 12:29
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by steveh
I'd also agree with Muppetman that YouView has one of the better STB UIs out there.
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UI's wise, I fully trust yours and MM's view on. It is functionality that is paramount to me.
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26-01-2016, 10:51
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
Asa little update to this. SKY Q has now had a hands on review.
http://www.stuff.tv/sky/sky-q/review
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26-01-2016, 11:11
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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26-01-2016, 15:19
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
I don't understand why Virgin still hasn't come up with a faster UI, It's the one thing i've always hated, every time i use a friends Sky box i wish Virgin would make a UI as fast as that
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28-01-2016, 13:25
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
Interestingly, in the US, legislators look set to open up the market for cable devices so that customers do not need to use their TV platform's set top devices.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/...n-up-us-cable/
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28-01-2016, 14:16
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
That's really always been the case in the US though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD
The problem has been is that technology got ahead of the regulation, so it's more about bringing the open access regulations up to date.
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28-01-2016, 17:46
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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If we had an open market here, it would certainly encourage VM to work a bit harder to speed up the Tivo box!
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28-01-2016, 21:06
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Re: Sky Q and VM answer????
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
If we had an open market here, it would certainly encourage VM to work a bit harder to speed up the Tivo box!
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You do understand that updating something like a Tivo box is no where near as simple or inexpensive as a fifty quid streamer box, which can be quite easily updated on a yearly basis? Development wise, a streamer box nowhere near as complicated as a Tivo box, which has way more functionality.
If VM brought a new box out annually, I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to pay the extra cost involved
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