Rio Olympics 2016: Russia athlete ban upheld by Cas

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So I gather you think every athlete is a cheat..

Frankly anybody who think everybody is cheating is talking absolute codswallop as yes there are cheats in sport but its important not to make generalising conclusions that everybody is doing it because that's not simply the case as the vast majority of us know.

[richard s]

Lay down the law any sports person who uses performance enhancing drugs who get caught should be banned for life SIMPLE.

[rhyds]

The problem is that, this time, its not just a few athletes who have been caught doping. It was the anti doping authorities themselves doing the cheating, and getting help from government security agencies to do it.

While I'm sure there are plenty of clean Russian athletes, the problem is the entire Russian anti-doping establishment has been discredited at every level.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So I gather you think every athlete is a cheat..

That's not something I think. However, I do think cheating is rife; certainly prevalent enough for me to take any achieved results with a pinch of salt.

I see people running and jumping and throwing. They may be cheating, they may not be. I'm not that bothered.

I could enjoy the games more if there were no cheats but there always will be so meh.

[denphone]

Well judging by your posts on some other interesting threads old chap you seem to think you think everything is rife.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well judging by your posts on some other interesting threads old chap you seem to think you think everything is rife.

Call me old-fashioned Den but I dislike cheats; I think a person deserves what they earn through discipline, dedication and hard work. I know, I'm quaint.

It seems that others feel it is much easier to fiddle your way through life but that just ain't me .

[denphone]

l am too against cheating and fiddling but one should not stereotype the vast majority who do everything by the book as to say that is not the case is frankly laughable.

Mind we can possibly continue to play spot the cheat..but that is unfair to those who are honest.

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And it seems they chickened out about a blanket ban..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36878983

Russia will not receive a blanket ban from Rio 2016 following the country's doping scandal.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) will leave it up to individual sports' governing bodies to decide if Russian competitors are clean and should be allowed to take part.

[denphone]

One suspects they sought legal advice before making this decision.

[nomadking]

Testing exists outside of Russia, especially for Summer Olympic events, and they wouldn't be able to cover that up. Well no more that than other athletes around the world that ALREADY cover it up. Even at Sochi there wasn't any evidence of anybody taking drugs. Just an operation in place to cover for those that "might have". Unless ALL the Russian Winter Olympic athletes knew that was going to happen, they wouldn't have risked taking drugs in the first place.

I do remember in the past, odd behaviour with a non-Russian athlete where I came to the conclusion that their original decision was because the drugs they had been taken hadn't yet cleared their system. A little time later they changed their mind, possibly their own testing had shown the drugs were now not detectable.

On the same basis as used with Russia, any athlete who works with a coach or whatever, who has previously been caught doping should be banned. Not aware of that happening before.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by denphone

l am too against cheating and fiddling but one should not stereotype the vast majority who do everything by the book as to say that is not the case is frankly laughable.

An oblique discussion about another subject is pointless. Suffice to say I do not approve of cheats in any walk of life. This has nothing to do with stereotyping; cheating diminishes the efforts of the honest and should be exposed and punished imho.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So I gather you think every athlete is a cheat..

Which you are you talking to?

Everyone posting in the thread above that post..

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Everyone posting in the thread above that post..

Bit of an ambiguous question wasn't it, do you mean athletes in general or just russian ones, if it's the latter we know for a fact hundreds of samples were tampered with, who knows if that means all of them were cheating or not but given the widespread amount of sports involved it's possible. The punishment seems a bit hard on anyone that didn't cheat and indeed the whistle blower herself. The ptb seem to think banning her as well will encourage more whistle blowers to come forward, can't see that myself, might have made more of a statement if she was the only person allowed to represent Russia regardless of her being caught before .

It was a general question seeing as the tone had gone to the all athletes are cheats. Don't read too much into it..it was asked to get the debate moving along..