100mbit? don't make me laugh

maybe the rollout of 100mb will herald a new era in upload speeds for everyone and then we will all be happy

[The PIT]

One thing that very few people are considering is that most home router firewalls struggle to get 50mb through put let alone 100mb.

Just something too think about.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by The PIT

One thing that very few people are considering is that most home router firewalls struggle to get 50mb through put let alone 100mb.

Just something too think about.

100Mb will be a problem I agree there.

But any decent modern router is not going to struggle with 50Mb when wired, unless youve bought a total pile of steaming pooh.

The Netgear WNR2000 provided by VM and my older Linksys WRT54GL handle 50Mb no problem, please see sig

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by martyh

i don't understand the fuss about upstream speeds what people tend to forget imo is that vm and all other providers are chiefly concerned with supplying to general household users only a very small number of those wish to upoad vast amounts of data ,if you want commercial speeds get a commercial connection and quit whining

So how many general household users have any interest in 50Mbit?

Precisely. I don't understand all the fuss about it to be honest and consider it all about the PR.

Incidentally BT seem to think people care given they have a 10Mbit upstream option on their new product. Maybe they do, maybe they don't but at least they have the option if they do care to pay more and have it.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't use torrents (far to insecure) i prefer newsgroups or ftp. So speeds like this on a Saturday night prove to me they have it right. Yes upload increase might seem nice but i feel they will introduce speed controls on torrents and the like before they increase the upload dramaticaly.

I agree with you on the torrents speed control. Given that with 100Mbit downstream a single customer can eat half an entire area's bandwidth it would make a lot of sense to introduce controls on newsgroups as well.

Last time a tier was released that allowed a single customer to nosh half an area's bandwidth, 20Mbit out of an available 38Mbit, it came with STM.

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

Virgin haven't even finished doing the upgrades they need to do to get 50mbit running properly and they are already flouting 100mbit. I am normally happy to give praise where praise is due but in this case it is winding me up. I would rather have a solid 50/10 line than whatever stupid ratio they are going to come up with for 100mbit (100/5?).

I think we knew how this thread would go. Usual mix of 'I agree' and 'I'm alright Jack'.

It was well known VM would start on this project this year, BT will start getting 40Mbit available to a significant number of people with potential to go up to 60 so something needed to be done to keep the speed advantage downstream anyway.

[calmpitbull]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I think we knew how this thread would go. Usual mix of 'I agree' and 'I'm alright Jack'.

What other answers are there?

I do agree that speeds are getting way to high for the average user and is all about the PR. I browse the web, email and design websites, 2mb down and 500k up would easily be sufficient for me. It just seems a status thing nowadays to have the quickest internet, however totally un-necessary for most users.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by calmpitbull

What other answers are there?

Exactly

My bandwidth requirements are higher due to video conferencing, remote working and occasional shifting of some pretty large files across optimised TCP links but in all fairness 25/2.5 is ample most of the time, something like the 25/5 that Comcast sell in the US would be ideal.

[|Kippa|]

If it is a free upgrade then I am not going to complain. So long as it is traffic management free. I'd rather have a 50mbit download rate traffic managment free, than 100 mbit with trafficmanagent. I am not a heavy user I just like to download when I like.

[jgrove]

Originally Posted by |Kippa|

If it is a free upgrade then I am not going to complain. So long as it is traffic management free. I'd rather have a 50mbit download rate traffic managment free, than 100 mbit with trafficmanagent. I am not a heavy user I just like to download when I like.

Really good point, and i hope VM listen to customers like us, the 50mb roll out was rushed, as a preview customer i spent over 3 months, with a service up and down like a yo-yo. In the end VM lent me a spare 20mb modem to use when the 50mb went offline due to the very tight Signal requirements for the service to work. So if i am typical of a customer who might buy into the 100mb sales pitch then VM better make sure it works first.

Because i dont want to be suckered into another PR and marketing stunt.

[ZrByte]

It's also worth noting that Higher upload speeds generally equal lower latency which is a must for online gamers and is a big help if you have a house full of people using VOIP like skype. There is only so much downstream that can be used realistically but it is handy to have it for bursts e.g. download a 4GB Iso in half the time even if that is the only time you use the connection all day, I know a lot of people who would consider that value for money.

[Milambar]

I don't care about willy-waving download speeds. They are nice, but 20MB down which I get (realistically I only get about 16MB down except at 4am in the morning), is perfectly fine for my usage.

What I want is a decent UPLOAD speed. Yanno, I don't want it to take 45 minutes to send a short video or picture or voice clip, to my girlfriend who is currently working in the USA. Especially when she can send similar sized files to me in a matter of seconds. She gets a significantly larger (I think its 5MB) upload rate on a 10MB download package... Go figure.

[beasty54]

Originally Posted by Milambar

I don't care about willy-waving download speeds. They are nice, but 20MB down which I get (realistically I only get about 16MB down except at 4am in the morning), is perfectly fine for my usage.

What I want is a decent UPLOAD speed. Yanno, I don't want it to take 45 minutes to send a short video or picture or voice clip, to my girlfriend who is currently working in the USA. Especially when she can send similar sized files to me in a matter of seconds. She gets a significantly larger (I think its 5MB) upload rate on a 10MB download package... Go figure.

I want, i want, i want!!! You sound like a 10 year old having a tantrum.
We all want higher upload speeds, i certainly do but its clearly not something the majority of people in this country care about, this country is all about how cheap things are so the average jo is happy with an 8mb / 0.5mb connection for £7 a month.

[colin25]

I have 20mb down, and 0.7mb up (except the up pretends it is only a 0.3mb, and is good at the disguise)

I want more up..10-1 ratio would be nice

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by beasty54

I want, i want, i want!!! You sound like a 10 year old having a tantrum.
We all want higher upload speeds, i certainly do but its clearly not something the majority of people in this country care about, this country is all about how cheap things are so the average jo is happy with an 8mb / 0.5mb connection for £7 a month.

As you rightly say the majority are fine with cheap service. The frustration is born from Neil Berkett getting his e-peen out about 100Mbit which even fewer people will take up than 50Mbit while having no comments about upstream, he having announced 6 months ago that Virgin would be trialling higher upstream and it only getting to a second small area trial last month.

I think people have every right to say 'I want'. If Virgin are happy to give people what they don't really want as far as ever higher downstream speeds go just to wave the e-penis at BT people are right to comment on something they do actually want

[beasty54]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

As you rightly say the majority are fine with cheap service. The frustration is born from Neil Berkett getting his e-peen out about 100Mbit which even fewer people will take up than 50Mbit while having no comments about upstream, he having announced 6 months ago that Virgin would be trialling higher upstream and it only getting to a second small area trial last month.

I think people have every right to say 'I want'. If Virgin are happy to give people what they don't really want as far as ever higher downstream speeds go just to wave the e-penis at BT people are right to comment on something they do actually want

Ok fair enough, and as i said, i would like higher upload as well. I suppose it just gets boring hearing it after a while because there will always be a few of us that would give anything for more upload but the masses would rather have the cheaper option. Untill theres higher demand and more competition out there we'll probably never see what we would consider an acceptable upload speed.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by beasty54

Ok fair enough, and as i said, i would like higher upload as well. I suppose it just gets boring hearing it after a while because there will always be a few of us that would give anything for more upload but the masses would rather have the cheaper option. Untill theres higher demand and more competition out there we'll probably never see what we would consider an acceptable upload speed.

http://skyhispeedbb.com/ will get VM's attention when it is more widely available. Openreach sadly don't have the manpower to get it done more quickly.

The tech BT are using will be able to do up to 80Mbps downstream and 20Mbps up.