Children as young as four being radicalised ?

[SMG]

The IRA mostly confined its activity to N.I. & mainland U.K. It had a specific agenda & clear aims, to unite Ireland & get the Brits out. In my time I had the opportunity to speak face to face with Operational IRA members.

They considered themselves to be soldiers & had a clear objective as to what they wanted to achieve. Despite my hatred for some of these killers, others showed similar aims to my own, which was to protect my country & fellow citizens from foreign influence.

Al Queda is a global threat with no specific agenda or aim. It is an organisation which kills indiscriminately & without cause.

These are 2 different terrorist organisations with totally different objectives. I dont believe they can be compared with each other.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

I am not talking about the terrorists. I am talking about the innocent muslims who are starting to feel like they are being victimised by us.

define us

[SMG]

It is not unusual for 3rd world people & children to be "brainwashed" with radical ideas. They have no life, no purpose, not much at all, anything which promises a better life is held dear to them.

However, in this country, where freedom is everyones right, these freedoms are being taken away by parents who "force" their kids to attend religious meetings. Clerics, who preach "3rd world ideals", & their own brand of "religion", sometimes, the religion of the radical.

This is why its important for all immigrants, all nationalities, to swear allegiance to the U.K. to speak English, & to learn British history. Learning the ways of the 3rd world peasant, & their restraints, is not enhancing this country's heritage & culture. Its just breeding more 3rd world morons who look toward terror organisations to further their "Doctrine".

Religion should not be forced on children. let them play for heavens sake, childhood doesn't last that long.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by SMG

This is why its important for all immigrants, all nationalities, to swear allegiance to the U.K. to speak English, & to learn British history.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Originally Posted by danielf

Thanks, but no thanks.

no offense but your happy to live here and work here so why is that idea so distasteful?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by zing

no offense but your happy to live here and work here so why is that idea so distasteful?

I don't see the point. I wouldn't be too keen on swearing allegiance to my home country either. Sounds like pointless patriotic posturing to me.

Ok that I can accept but what about the rest?

Originally Posted by danielf

I don't see the point. I wouldn't be too keen on swearing allegiance to my home country either. Sounds like pointless patriotic posturing to me.

i do tend to agree that a oath of allegience is a bit pointless I mean anyone capable of blowing up a bus at rush hour isn't going to think twice about a promise he made to the country he hates .But as far as as learning our history and language ,yes they should be made to learn them

[Russ]

Originally Posted by SMG

This is why its important for all immigrants, all nationalities, to swear allegiance to the U.K. to speak English, & to learn British history.

Or any indigenous UK language

Originally Posted by SMG

Religion should not be forced on children. let them play for heavens sake, childhood doesn't last that long.

It depends on what you mean by 'forced'. I fully agree that it can be destructive without good leadership and fellowship. There's nothing wrong with bringing a child up in a certain faith as long as respect for all beliefs, cultures and ways of life is taught as paramount. Bringing a child up in one particular faith does not mean 'slagging off' the others (including atheism if you consider it a faith).

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

No, there was only the IRA... Who, lets not forget, have killed far more people in the UK than ANY muslim extremists...

Probably not through lack of trying......

[danielf]

Originally Posted by zing

Ok that I can accept but what about the rest?

I speak English (better than some Brits). I don't make an active attempt to learn about British history, but I do take an interest in my surroundings. I think I'm doing all right

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

I speak English (better than some Brits). I don't make an active attempt to learn about British history, but I do take an interest in my surroundings. I think I'm doing all right

world cup 1966 that's covered the important bit.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

world cup 1966 that's covered the important bit.

LOL.

In all seriousness though as an immigrant, I work with and meet and a lot of English born and bred white people who know very little of their own country's history. Why should it be important for immigrants to know England's history when a lot of English people don't know their own country's history.

I bet not many kids now know anything about Cromwell, 1066, Henry 8th etc etc and Im talking about non immigrants.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

world cup 1966 that's covered the important bit.

That, and the raid on the Medway

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by danielf

I speak English (better than some Brits). I don't make an active attempt to learn about British history, but I do take an interest in my surroundings. I think I'm doing all right

WELL SAID. I don't see why there should be an emphasis on immigrants having to know this country's history. I have no interest in history, yet I probably know more about it than quite a few english people I have come across.