Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah, I never actually thought about White people have an advantage in less intense sunlight? How is that the case?

Either way, its increasing world wide so according to evolution they are better suited to the enviroment. The white/black thing is a example of evolution since they are both for different enviroments if you take out the fact that we have technology to protect ourselfs. White people came about as they were well suited in a enviroment and in theory black people are better suited for now.

If the code has the ability to adapt then that would be evolution would it not?

In the link I provided its explained that black pigmentation acts like a sun block and in low intensity areas the body would find it difficult to absorb sunlight for vitamin D production. This doesn't mean black people die like a plant out of sunlight but rather in situations like famine and mortal combat, the low vitamin thing is what may push you over the edge. (if Raiden's explosive upper-cut doesn't get you 1st)

If the code is adapting itself by divine design then that would be evolution but darwin would have got the mechanism wrong.

[Action Jackson]

I'm panspermic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia


I'm not wholly convinced of 'life beginning by sheer chance' or by a fluke chemical reaction. I believe it arrived here from somewhere else in the universe, possibly during the meteor bombardments and then simply took a foothold within our environmental conditions, before then evolving.


The idea of an omnipotent and omnipresent god that created everything is frankly laughable, especially in a day and age where science can answer questions about the universe and close the knowledge gaps that used to be exploited by religion to try and put forward a case for god. Soon there will be no gaps left where religion can hide. Then it will be gone for good and we can all stop killing and hating each other and actually move the human race forward.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah, I never actually thought about White people have an advantage in less intense sunlight? How is that the case?

Melanin helps protect against UV light causing cancers etc, but it makes skin more reactive, scratches, burns, marks will be more pronounced in high melanin skin, hence why scarring is used in some tribes in a way tattoos are used.
Melanin also reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D.
With the reduced levels of UV, vitamin D production would be even lower, so melanin levels reduced to compensate.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Melanin helps protect against UV light causing cancers etc, but it makes skin more reactive, scratches, burns, marks will be more pronounced in high melanin skin, hence why scarring is used in some tribes in a way tattoos are used.
Melanin also reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D.
With the reduced levels of UV, vitamin D production would be even lower, so melanin levels reduced to compensate.

Thanks

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Why though? That's always puzzled me.
What's wrong with: you're born, you life, you die?

Why does that scare so many people?

I think the finality of it scares a hell of a lot of people, for me, your description just seem's a bit pointless

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

I'm not wholly convinced of 'life beginning by sheer chance' or by a fluke chemical reaction. I believe it arrived here from somewhere else in the universe, possibly during the meteor bombardments and then simply took a foothold within our environmental conditions, before then evolving.

So how did it begin before it arrived here?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think the finality of it scares a hell of a lot of people, for me, your description just seem's a bit pointless

Is that a bad thing?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So how did it begin before it arrived here?

It's turtles all the way down.

Life may be Pointless for people who believe you just die but that just makes it all the more important to make the most of the time you have. This is it, its not a test or part of a longer journey imo.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So how did it begin before it arrived here?

That's the big question is it not?


And it's gaps like this that you will always find religion lurking. "If it can't be answered or indisputably proven by science then it must be down to the presence of a God, no question".


Question for God: Who made you?

A little case of infinite regression that the religious community always chooses to ignore.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

That's the big question is it not?


And it's gaps like this that you will always find religion lurking. "If it can't be answered or indisputably proven by science then it must be down to the presence of a God, no question".


Question for God: Who made you?

A little case of infinite regression that the religious community always chooses to ignore.

Oh we don't chose to ignore it, we just usually come back by pointing out you're applying human limitations (ie that everything must have been created) to something which is clearly not human. The problem then forms because you don't accept it.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by SMG

I think it realy is that simple. If "Creationism" can be proved, then it gets equal status. If not, its binned.

Thats demanding too much from creationism. It's not proof we are looking for (though it would be nice), just a large body of multidiciplinary scientific evidence that supports it's theories (rather like what evolutionary theory has).

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's the thing I have asked myself many times, do we require religion because of our own sense of self importance,

That, and fear.

the journey of life has to lead somewhere other than just a hole in the ground

It does. It leads to the continuation of our species. Nature doesn't give a damn about the individual, just the continuation of life (imo)

but man is a blot on the landscape nature needs to scrape us off if thats the case

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Oh we don't chose to ignore it, we just usually come back by pointing out you're applying human limitations (ie that everything must have been created) to something which is clearly not human. The problem then forms because you don't accept it.

Creationists/religions are just the same, when they state the universe (something seriously not human) needs some higher being to create it.
The irony, as history has shown, is that gods need humans to create them.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

but man is a blot on the landscape nature needs to scrape us off if thats the case

Why?

oh come on

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

oh come on

I'm saying I don't understand your statement about us being a blot on the landscape that nature needs to scrape off.
Could you please explain for me?

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

A little case of infinite regression that the religious community always chooses to ignore.

Some members of that community also choose to ignore awkward questions regarding which human subspecies was made in their god's image...