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			This is true, however he hasn't made his mind up about anything more than I HATE THE TORIES. 
 
Which isn't really the issue. It just seemed a really bizarre reasoning - forget the rights & wrongs of the EU - just go straight to 'It'll stop the Tories' 
 
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			27-05-2016, 20:51
			
			
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			Yes its not the reason of how l would base my decision on but each to their own on what makes them base their yes or no decision on.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			27-05-2016, 21:44
			
			
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			Postal vote came today, and the question is very well worded, and not confusing like some of my family thought it would be.  Would I be breaching rules if I posted the question and options?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			27-05-2016, 21:52
			
			
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				Postal vote came today, and the question is very well worded, and not confusing like some of my family thought it would be.  Would I be breaching rules if I posted the question and options? 
			
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 Don't think so. Go for it!  
 
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If we leave the Tories will be able to do all sort of horrible things, so he's voting to stay IN so there! 
 
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					Originally Posted by  techguyone
					 
				 
				Today I came across something that well and truly ghasted my flabber & from a family member too 
 
They've decided they want to stay in the EU because... 
 
If we leave the Tories will be able to do all sort of horrible things, so he's voting to stay IN so there! 
 
wut? 
 
WUT? 
 
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 Sadly there are plenty of folks who can't see beyond the ends of the noses.  They're bound by blind allegiance or preoccupied with trivia.  
 
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				Corbyn's staying very quiet. Could it be that he's hoping to pick up kudos from Dave and Gideon's self immolation? 
			
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 I don't think I can recall a time when the official opposition has been so invisible when it comes to something so important.  My God, Labour have had some pretty crappy leaders in my lifetime but I can't imagine any of them emulating Corbyn's approach right now.  It's as if he's living in a time warp and believes he's an NUS rep...
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			27-05-2016, 22:46
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  denphone
					 
				 
				Yes its not the reason of how l would base my decision on but each to their own on what makes them base their yes or no decision on. 
			
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 It's a completely nonsensical way to decide.
  
If we come out, and the government does 'bad things', you throw them out at the next election.
  
If we stay in, and we get bad EU laws, you can't throw the EU 'leaders' out.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				 If we come out, and the government does 'bad things', you throw them out at the next election. 
  
If we stay in, and we get bad EU laws, you can't throw the EU 'leaders' out. 
			
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 Yup, some folks do seem to keep missing that don't they.  Not sure why because it's really pretty obvious...
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Yup, some folks do seem to keep missing that don't they.  Not sure why because it's really pretty obvious... 
			
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 That does bother me. How can they be so breathtakingly oblivious?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			28-05-2016, 00:11
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Hugh
					 
				 
				You're making stuff up now.. 
 
The Treasury information in 2003 supported Brown's decision not to join the Euro, and confirmed this in 2007. 
			
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There's a shock, making stuff up
 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...mmittee-report
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			My god, someone on this forum, actually admits to hating the Tories. I think that Cameron will resign after the ref. 
  
I am voting OUT, as we need to control our OWN borders. This Country will improve vastly, and prosper. 
  
At the moment, we are being told what to do from Brussels.  We pay in more EACH day, then we get back. 
  
We are told by Brussel's, how many Migrants to take. 
  
Cameron and Co, are nothing but weak.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			The exaggerated claims from both sides are off putting and are turning people off this referendum and while I believe a degree of it is deliberate the scale of exaggeration and outright lies so far and likely to continue is very damaging to the political process in the UK.  I knew before this referendum that our politicians were anything but high calibre public servants but they have managed to plummet even further then my low expectations which was not an easy thing.  I think the best thing for those of us who have decided our vote is to just steer clear of anything referendum related and just wait for the 23rd of June. 
 
For those undecided good luck with trying to find anything tangible to help you make your choice as I see nothing to suggest that rational fact based campaigning is going to make an appearance anytime soon.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			The question is worded: 
 
Should the United Kingdom remain in the European Union, or leave the European Union? 
 
Boxes to check, not surprisingly, are: 
 
Remain in the EU 
Leave the EU 
 
I've voted leave, I don't mind immigration but have felt for a long time we should operate on a points system like Australia does.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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					Originally Posted by  techguyone
					 
				 
				Today I came across something that well and truly ghasted my flabber & from a family member too 
 
They've decided they want to stay in the EU because... 
 
If we leave the Tories will be able to do all sort of horrible things, so he's voting to stay IN so there! 
 
wut? 
 
WUT? 
 
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				God I hope not! 
			
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					Originally Posted by  techguyone
					 
				 
				This is true, however he hasn't made his mind up about anything more than I HATE THE TORIES. 
 
Which isn't really the issue. It just seemed a really bizarre reasoning - forget the rights & wrongs of the EU - just go straight to 'It'll stop the Tories' 
 
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 Tell him/her that it makes no difference if we're in or out, the Tories are here to stay for the foreseeable future and will do horrible things regardless.  
 
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					Originally Posted by  Osem
					 
				 
				Sadly there are plenty of folks who can't see beyond the ends of the noses.  They're bound by blind allegiance or preoccupied with trivia. 
 
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I don't think I can recall a time when the official opposition has been so invisible when it comes to something so important.  My God, Labour have had some pretty crappy leaders in my lifetime but I can't imagine any of them emulating Corbyn's approach right now.  It's as if he's living in a time warp and believes he's an NUS rep... 
			
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 He is.  His problem is he wants out of the EU but can't campaign for it.  It must be really frustrating for him.  But this is good for Brexit as there are not so many fighting as there could have been.  
 
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					Originally Posted by  Arthurgray50@blu
					 
				 
				My god, someone on this forum, actually admits to hating the Tories. I think that Cameron will resign after the ref. 
  
I am voting OUT, as we need to control our OWN borders. This Country will improve vastly, and prosper. 
  
At the moment, we are being told what to do from Brussels.  We pay in more EACH day, then we get back. 
  
We are told by Brussel's, how many Migrants to take. 
  
Cameron and Co, are nothing but weak. 
			
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 And the money we do get back we can't spend as we want.  We have to spend it on what the EU say.  
 
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					Originally Posted by  MarkC1984
					 
				 
				The question is worded: 
 
Should the United Kingdom remain in the European Union, or leave the European Union? 
 
Boxes to check, not surprisingly, are: 
 
Remain in the EU 
Leave the EU 
 
I've voted leave, I don't mind immigration but have felt for a long time we should operate on a points system like Australia does. 
			
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 Correct me if I'm wrong here but should that not read:
 Should the United Kingdom remain in a reformed European Union or leave the European Union?  Or have they decided to drop the  Reformed?  If so then it appears they don't want reform and are happy with the status quo.  The wording is interesting because that would make me vote leave because there is no mention of reform.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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