Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett

Originally Posted by Sirius

So what your saying is they should be allowed to march through the town,

So what happens if they decided to do that on a day where a poor soul is being repatriated considering that they will have to apply in advance for permission for there march what then.

Then when they have been allowed to do that Should they then be allowed to do this every time there is a repatriation ?

Where does it stop ????

anyone ??:??

It stops if people are violent. Where would it stop if we ban people we don't like? I don't like the BNP but, while I don't think they should be allowed on the BBC, I don't think we should ban their meetings, marches and so on.

[SMG]

I thought I would wait a while & see what reaction my previous post would have. Just to see who would start slagging the forces off if they joined this protest.

Serving members of the Armed Forces are not allowed to demonstrate. Should any member be on leave, they are free to travel anywhere they like.

Some of you seem to be expecting the Paras there, waiting for aggro. Get a grip. Moreover, start smelling the coffee. Every soldier has Parents, brothers, friends. Every regiment has an association, made up with ex servicemen & women.

Wootton Bassett has become the country's "Welcome home" for our fallen forces. This little town turns out to honour & respect these servicemen & women, we do not want a group of self appointed, petty Muslims to besmirch that final respect.

For some of you "Holier than thou" pacifists, you need to get a life, because outside your little world is a bigger one, & its not very nice.

I have made it clear in past posts, that I do not subscribe to the BNP, or any other radical faction, in any way, but if they oppose this march, then they will have allies.

Like I said earlier, I do not think this march will go ahead.


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[Gary L]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

I can see this thread going the same way as the march as if it is allowed to go on .

ALL OUT WAR !!!!!!

Don't worry, I'm here to calm us all down.

Let them have their march. don't oppose it. let's see what they're really about.
if it turns out that they're against the British as a whole, then we either kill them there and then, or we put them on a plane somewhere

Originally Posted by SMG

I thought I would wait a while & see what reaction my previous post would have. Just to see who would start slagging the forces off if they joined this protest.

Nice Try. We are not slagging off the forces, we are raising issue with your statement:

I have contacts in & out of the Army, who openly state they will use force to stop this march.

Because it's a free country and people have the right to protest without threats of violence. I thought this was something they were protecting?

Serving members of the Armed Forces are not allowed to demonstrate. Should any member be on leave, they are free to travel anywhere they like.

I don't mind them protesting, I mind them using force on civilians protesting.

Wootton Bassett has become the country's "Welcome home" for our fallen forces. This little town turns out to honour & respect these servicemen & women, we do not want a group of self appointed, petty Muslims to besmirch that final respect.

Nor do most of us, however it's a free country and we can't ban people who their freedoms unless it infringes on the safety of liberty of others.

For some of you "Holier than thou" pacifists, you need to get a life, because outside your little world is a bigger one, & its not very nice.

How does this justify using force on protesters? It doesn't. Don't give the patronising speech attempting to belittle opposition on 'not having a life' or 'real world experence'. None of this relates to the facts of this case.

I have made it clear in past posts, that I do not subscribe to the BNP, or any other radical faction, in any way, but if they oppose this march, then they will have allies.

Peacefully oppose then yes, forcefully oppose then no. If people violently attack these protesters they will face their day in court.

Originally Posted by Russ

It's what seems to be implied in recent posts. I've got all the respect in the world for the forces, I've always said they're true heroes. But it seems like people are not permitted to oppose them. Don't get me wrong, I'm against this proposed march by the muslims but that's what we get when we live in democracy. We allow the voice of those even who we dislike.

And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

The only sentiments people have expressed is that they have the right to do it without being banned or attacked. No one has expressed support for their cause.

Yes it's a horrible thing to do, but what can we do about it without betraying that freedom the miltary is meant to fight for. By the way the vast majority of Muslims do not support actions like this but still have to deal with contempt from many people, some of whom reside on this board. Us and them should ignore the extremists on both sides, and move on instead of giving them the attention they crave.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Damien

The only sentiments people have expressed is that they have the right to do it without being banned or attacked. No one has expressed support for their cause.

Banned from where?? Attacked by who??

Originally Posted by SMG

Banned from where?? Attacked by who??

Banned from marching. Attacked by members of the forces.

As a country as a whole we are in a position were we need to decide if we want a full democracy with all the freedom that goes with it or do we want to pick and choose what we think democracy and freedom mean .We go to war to protect freedom ,to force other countries to accept democracy and yet at the same time we want to deny it to other people in our own land simply because some don't agree with it .Soldiers have died in Afganistan and Iraq to bring democracy to countries that have never known freedom of any kind ,their deaths are meaningless if we don't uphold the true meaning of freedom and democracy however distastful it might be

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

Well bloody said that man

Originally Posted by martyh

As a country as a whole we are in a position were we need to decide if we want a full democracy with all the freedom that goes with it or do we want to pick and choose what we think democracy and freedom mean .We go to war to protect freedom ,to force other countries to accept democracy and yet at the same time we want to deny it to other people in our own land simply because some don't agree with it .Soldiers have died in Afganistan and Iraq to bring democracy to countries that have never known freedom of any kind ,their deaths are meaningless if we don't uphold the true meaning of freedom and democracy however distastful it might be

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

your post shows you have absolutley no idea what these soldiers are fighting and dying for ,if the modern services have that attitude then i'm glad i'm not in the army any more

[Peter_]

What will happen if this march is allowed to go ahead and they march on a day when we have fallen soldiers arriving by plane to bre driven through the town centre as on every other occasion and it is lined with its normal turnout of locals, families, visitors and even squaddies paying their last respects.

Then just prior to the cortege we have a protest march by muslims walking the same route carrying mock coffins, what kind of reaction would that receive, as I have no doubt this is the real intention of this protest to dishonour our dead and provoke a violent reaction.

If this march is allowed to go ahead I shudder to think what may happen.

[SMG]

I wish I was young again, & knew everything.

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Originally Posted by martyh

your post shows you have absolutley no idea what these soldiers are fighting and dying for ,if the modern services have that attitude then i'm glad i'm not in the army any more

I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, & I agree, I`m glad your not in anymore.

Originally Posted by Moldova

What will happen if this march is allowed to go ahead and they march on a day when we have fallen soldiers arriving by plane to bre driven through the town centre as on every other occasion and it is lined with its normal turnout of locals, families, visitors and even squaddies paying their last respects.

Then just prior to the cortege we have a protest march by muslims walking the same route carrying mock coffins, what kind of reaction would that receive, as I have no doubt this is the real intention of this protest to dishonour our dead and provoke a violent reaction.

If this march is allowed to go ahead I shudder to think what may happen.

well if you read any of the press reports then you know that ,that has already been ruled by the muslim group in question ,and even if they applied for permission to march on that day they would be refused by the chief constable simply on logisticle grounds and if they did it anyway then they would be arrested

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Originally Posted by SMG

I wish I was young again, & knew everything.

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I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, I`m glad your not in anymore.

then what are the soldiers dying for