Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory

Originally Posted by Carth

Just to take us back to the original posted subject . . .

How do all you people know so much about the stuff you're posting?

Were you taught all of it during history lessons at school . . . or has much of that knowledge been acquired over the years since you left?

Well, it’s like most subjects - it’s easier to extend your knowledge of an area of knowledge if you’ve had a basic /introduction grounding in it…

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Jon, that definition is one of dozens that circulate. None of them have any legal meaning. Even our Parliament has been unable to agree a definition in law.

The reason is simple: They are hung up on the phobia element of the term Islamophobia. A phobia must be irrational - so much can be proven by reference to accepted definitions. Also, racism towards Muslims must be shown to be discriminatory in the sense of violating or promoting violation of human rights. The woke brigade just don't think these matters through.

They need to find another word for it - like Anti-Islamism but then you have define Islamism. So you see the difficulty.

My argument is totally rational and cannot be classified as Islamophobic except by people who haven't thought this through.

Possibly, my critics may accuse me not thinking things through. My exposition and rationale shows that I have indeed given this significant thought. One of the arguments raged against me is that later generations of new cultures don't breed as prolifically as their forebears. Is that true if it is the tradition of the religion to breed? The take-up of Islam in the UK has been analysed by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17023858

As I said before, wake up.

Show us your working - how do you arrive at the point of Muslims being in a majority in 90 years?

I did a quick excel spreadsheet using some basic assumptions (starting at 3.4 million Muslims in this country at this time, 5 members in each family (2 parents and 3 kids, which is the current U.K. Muslim fertility rate, increasing this to 4 children per couple every 30 years)) - in 3 generations of 30 years, assuming no one died (doubtful, since the current generation would be over 120), the Muslim population would be 36 million out of the 2110 U.K. forecast population of 97 million…

This, of course, is totally rubbish, because that actual ONS forecast is that by 2030 the U.K. Muslim fertility rate is 2.5 per family - this backs up the Pew findings that 2rd and 3rd generation Muslims in Europe have less children than the original immigrants.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A lot of head in sand going on with some people. Your descendants will get got because the bleedin’ obvious escapes you.

All this platitude stuff about cultures evolving - pure waffle in tthe UK context. It is not right that a culture so different from indigenous (evolving, perhaps) British culture should end up taking over; the two cultures are not compatible.

I’ve no problem with other Asian cultures that seem to fit in quite well and certainly don’t spawn extremist elements that murder our children and citizens.

Wake up.

Agree with you mate, this article from last summer backs up some of what you are saying, there's no way that there should be no-go areas here in the UK, utterly disgusting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, it’s like most subjects - it’s easier to extend your knowledge of an area of knowledge if you’ve had a basic /introduction grounding in it…

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Show us your working - how do you arrive at the point of Muslims being in a majority in 90 years?

I did a quick excel spreadsheet using some basic assumptions (starting at 3.4 million Muslims in this country at this time, 5 members in each family (2 parents and 3 kids, which is the current U.K. Muslim fertility rate, increasing this to 4 children per couple every 30 years)) - in 3 generations of 30 years, assuming no one died (doubtful, since the current generation would be over 120), the Muslim population would be 36 million out of the 2110 U.K. forecast population of 97 million…

This, of course, is totally rubbish, because that actual ONS forecast is that by 2030 the U.K. Muslim fertility rate is 2.5 per family - this backs up the Pew findings that 2rd and 3rd generation Muslims in Europe have less children than the original immigrants.

I did it fag packet style a couple of years ago so don't have the workings to hand. if your first calculation is even vaguely correct, then 30+ million out of 97 million is alarming to me. Again on a fag packet basis of 2.5 per family, that's still in excess of 18 million. So, if my 90 years is wrong, then some time in the future it'll happen - because there is a design.

[Mr K]

Light the blue touch paper with the right words and subject and CF waffles away, showing up all that's wrong with this Country....

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Degrees in the stuff mate, degrees

Good back in the day, but nobody listens to Motown stuff now mate

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I did it fag packet style a couple of years ago so don't have the workings to hand. if your first calculation is even vaguely correct, then 30+ million out of 97 million is alarming to me. Again on a fag packet basis of 2.5 per family, that's still in excess of 18 million. So, if my 90 years is wrong, then some time in the future it'll happen - because there is a design.

Evidence of this design?

My calculations are extreme case calculations, which are not backed up by any current data or trends - in fact, it’s going the other way, as U.K. Muslim fertility rates are decreasing, not increasing.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Evidence?

Just open your eyes, Hugh.

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Just open your eyes, Hugh.

So that’s a "no", then…

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So that’s a "no", then…

For you, yes.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Evidence of this design?

My calculations are extreme case calculations, which are not backed up by any current data or trends - in fact, it’s going the other way, as U.K. Muslim fertility rates are decreasing, not increasing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/saudi-arabia-largest-funder-of-extremism-in-uk-report-finds-1.3144020

... for example.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Agree with you mate, this article from last summer backs up some of what you are saying, there's no way that there should be no-go areas here in the UK, utterly disgusting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

There aren't any that I know of

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There aren't any that I know of

Then I beg you, and various others who disagree with my assertions to read this worrying article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

A small extract follows:

Among the Mosques: Author's study of Muslim Britain reveals a no-go area for white people, children 'attacked for being white', parents making families live under Taliban-like rules and women who can't leave home without permission

- Author Ed Husain visited places of worship across UK for "Among the Mosques"
- Would turn up unannounced to the largest weekly gathering, Friday prayers
- Spoke to taxi drivers, business owners, Imams and worshipers about religion
- Islam in Britain is dominated by ultra-orthodox sect promoted by the Deobandis
- Control over half of Britain's mosques, and gave birth to Taliban in Afghanistan
- One person described 'Bolton, Dewsbury and Blackburn' as 'different universe'
- Books for sale detail how women should be banned from leaving the house
- Mosque in Didsbury, in converted church, has a sign for the 'Sharia Department'
- White men revealed 'no-go areas' in Blackburn where they would be 'jumped'
- White woman in Bradford predicts it will become 'an apartheid city' in 30 years

A phobia, is it?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then I beg you, and various others who disagree with my assertions to read this worrying article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

A small extract follows:



A phobia, is it?

Probably, I don't visit Bolton, Blackburn etc but I remember the same hoo-ha in London for what amounted to a few stupid stickers on lamp posts, I never had a problem there and tbh wouldn't have been to perturbed if there had been a problem

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/saudi-arabia-largest-funder-of-extremism-in-uk-report-finds-1.3144020

... for example.

That article shows that Saudi Arabia are big founders of Wahhabism, which we all knew, and that they are illiberal and trying to gain influence - it doesn’t provide a shred of support for your proposition that the Muslims will be out-breeding us and will take over our Parliament in 90 years…

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then I beg you, and various others who disagree with my assertions to read this worrying article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

A small extract follows:



A phobia, is it?

The Daily Mail writing an inflammatory anti-Muslim article - imagine my surprise and shock…

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then I beg you, and various others who disagree with my assertions to read this worrying article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...white-men.html

A small extract follows:



A phobia, is it?

France has a higher %age Muslim population than we do, maybe you should be more concerned about them??

Dewsbury is just down the road from here and yes the religious/racial makeup is different to some surrounding towns and cities but I go there quite often and haven't been mugged, converted, kidnapped, shot, stabbed or come to any harm whatsoever so I'm sorry to say it but you're talking a load of rubbish.