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Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory

The captain of Birmingham City has written to the Education Secretary calling for black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory in schools.

Troy Deeny says that this will help to combat racist beliefs and stereotypes from an early age.

There seems to be more and more footballers entering the political arena.

Source: BBC1 lunchtime news.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36114321)

There seems to be more and more footballers entering the political arena.

And what's the problem with that?

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36114321)

https://news.sky.com/story/birmingha...l%20curriculum.

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What if they teach kids our colonial history and they decide they want it back.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36114325)

https://news.sky.com/story/birmingha...l%20curriculum.

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What if they teach kids our colonial history and they decide they want it back.

Might be a bit tricky/difficult, as we don’t have an Empire, and all its resources, or the largest navy in the world, to facilitate that…

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A few topics for them to dwell on.

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Slavery in India escalated during the Muslim domination of northern India after the 11th-century, after Muslim rulers re-introduced slavery to the Indian subcontinent. It became a predominant social institution with the enslavement of Hindus, along with the use of slaves in armies for conquest, a long-standing practice within Muslim kingdoms at the time. According to Muslim historians of the Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire era, after the invasions of Hindu kingdoms,

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India's caste system is among the world's oldest forms of surviving social stratification. The BBC explains its complexities.
The system which divides Hindus into rigid hierarchical groups based on their karma (work) and dharma (the Hindi word for religion, but here it means duty) is generally accepted to be more than 3,000 years old.
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Rural communities have long been arranged on the basis of castes - the upper and lower castes almost always lived in segregated colonies, the water wells were not shared, Brahmins would not accept food or drink from the Shudras, and one could marry only within one's caste.

It was colonization of Africa that largely brought slavery to an end there.
The Black African rulers were only too happy to keep slavery.
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In 1807, Britain declared all slave trading illegal. The king of Bonny (in what is now the Nigerian delta) was dismayed at the conclusion of the practice.
"We think this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God himself."

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It's thought that as many people were enslaved in the Eastern slave trade as in the Atlantic slave trade.
It's ironic that when the Atlantic slave trade was abolished the Eastern trade expanded, suggesting that for some Africans the abolition of the Atlantic trade didn't lead to freedom, but merely changed their slave destination.

Who is going to tell those in the Nation of Islam?:D

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Muslim slavery continued for centuries
The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many places (and later still in some countries). The impetus for the abolition of slavery came largely from colonial powers, although some Muslim thinkers argued strongly for abolition.

Ottoman Empire

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In the 14th century, the devshirme system was created. This required conquered Christians to give up 20 percent of their male children to the state. The children were forced to convert to Islam and become slaves.

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Quick, get those statues back up :D

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36114334)

A few topics for them to dwell on.

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It was colonization of Africa that largely brought slavery to an end there.
The Black African rulers were only too happy to keep slavery.
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Who is going to tell those in the Nation of Islam?:D

Ottoman Empire

And these are relevant to British Colonial history teaching how?

Shouldn’t you be busy in another great defending Putin? ;)

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36114334)

They just want the nice bits not the truth;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36114336)

And these are relevant to British Colonial history teaching how?

Shouldn’t you be busy in another great defending Putin? ;)

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calling for black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory in schools.

Also as I pointed out, it was British Colonial history that brought slavery to an end in many black and Asian countries.
Slavery in Africa existed before the Transatlantic slave trade started and continued after it ended. The teaching and TV presentation on the subject is rather selective, one-sided, and biased.

Does NATO and the West, in general, support areas that wish to separate from a country, or does it depend on who wishes to separate? That is my issue on the matter. The astounding hypocrisy of NATO.

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As valid part of our history to teach as anything else really. The problem is there is a lot of history so plenty of debate to be had on what we cover. From what I remember we did: Romans, Tudors, History of Medicine, WW2 and Northern Ireland. WW2 is likely to always be a constant but really you could swap out most of the rest for some other time in our history.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36114340)

But those are big things with a large and widespread impact.

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It's good to be educated about everything and everyone.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36114346)

It's good to be educated about everything and everyone.

There isn't enough time to teach students about "everything and everyone".
Even if there was, the intention, as I've highlighted, is not about "everything and everyone". They want to be rather selective, as they are now.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36114342)

But those are big things with a large and widespread impact.

The wider topic of the British Empire had a huge impact on us and the world. We drew up so much of the African and Middle-Eastern borders as well as influenced how those nations developed. An understanding of that would help us understand at least a few of the current global conflicts.

At home and more to Deeney's point, it also had an influence on the make-up and culture of Britain. There is obviously a reason why Britain has people of different backgrounds. Understanding how that relates to our history is as important as the rest of it. Britain's relationship with India and Pakistan alone would warrant an entire GCSE module and yet still be quite a light and simplistic introduction.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36114357)

So no other countries had empires? Did history not exist before the British Empire arrived. Still intended to be highly selective and anti-White British.