President Trump 2.0

Originally Posted by Stephen

You really are delusional in you views of the progression of events up till his murder.

I refer you to my previous post, your still wasting your time here.
Its like an AI programmed to defend ICE, no matter what anyone says.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

2 agents?



I think this sums up your posts on this subject

Still only 2 agents in your picture restraining him. The legs on the middle, belong to Pretti himself.
As the annotation in your 2nd picture says,, "appears to". When he does finally remove Pretti's gun, he quickly moves away with it. The fact that he's still there, means he hasn't yet got hold of it. So in my picture, Pretti still has the gun on him, because the agent is still there.
Even your pictures show that Pretti was resisting and wasn't fully restrained and wasn't lying down on the ground.
So what of the 5 things I said about my picture aren't true?
The first shot occurs as the other agent runs away with Pretti's gun. Because of reaction times, and the time it takes to physically move, the trained autonomous actions were a result of the situation a fraction of a second before.
None of the agents were wildly brandishing their guns around looking for somebody to shoot, as so many seem to be implying.
It was only in that specific situation that a gun was drawn and fired. Whether an over-reaction or not, it was the situation Pretti created, that led to the result.
Here's a picture of Pretti being pepper sprayed. He's NOT helping the other protestor at the time, as is claimed.
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Comedian Chris Rock made a video 20 years ago about how best to behave in a law enforcement encounter. Pretti broke just about every applicable rule in that video, and not for the first time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Still only 2 agents in your picture restraining him. The legs on the middle, belong to Pretti himself.
As the annotation in your 2nd picture says,, "appears to". When he does finally remove Pretti's gun, he quickly moves away with it. The fact that he's still there, means he hasn't yet got hold of it. So in my picture, Pretti still has the gun on him, because the agent is still there.
Even your pictures show that Pretti was resisting and wasn't fully restrained and wasn't lying down on the ground.
So what of the 5 things I said about my picture aren't true?
The first shot occurs as the other agent runs away with Pretti's gun. Because of reaction times, and the time it takes to physically move, the trained autonomous actions were a result of the situation a fraction of a second before.
None of the agents were wildly brandishing their guns around looking for somebody to shoot, as so many seem to be implying.
It was only in that specific situation that a gun was drawn and fired. Whether an over-reaction or not, it was the situation Pretti created, that led to the result.
Here's a picture of Pretti being pepper sprayed. He's NOT helping the other protestor at the time, as is claimed.
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Comedian Chris Rock made a video 20 years ago about how best to behave in a law enforcement encounter. Pretti broke just about every applicable rule in that video, and not for the first time.

I make that at least four agents around him, not two.

Was it an over-reaction to kill someone who was clearly no threat and then continue to fire shots into their prone body to ensure they couldn't live to tell the tale. Yes.

By being there, Pretti was helping the other protestor.

I'm not sure a 20-year-old video from a comedian in another country on the best way to deal with law enforcement encounters would have much credibility in dealing with such maverick ICE officers in 2026. This just sucks of victim blaming.

But I accept you've adopted a pro-ICE stance which won't be altered by posters providing information that runs contrary to your position.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://archive.ph/7Y7oo

There’s a video showing him and a woman being shoved to the ground by ICE, he then tries to help the woman up, the ICE agents (5 or 6) throw him to the ground, where he is on his knees with his head to the ground (his arms are pinned behind him), it’s noticed by the agents he has a pistol in the back of his trousers (Minnesota is an "open carry" State), one of the ICE Agents remove the pistol (this is clearly visible in the agent’s hand), then a shot rings out, the victim falls flat to the ground, the agents scatter about five feet from the victim, then one of the ICE agents shoots him five or six more times.

You said 5 or 6.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I make that at least four agents around him, not two.
Was it an over-reaction to kill someone who was clearly no threat and then continue to fire shots into their prone body to ensure they couldn't live to tell the tale. Yes.
By being there, Pretti was helping the other protestor.
I'm not sure a 20-year-old video from a comedian in another country on the best way to deal with law enforcement encounters would have much credibility in dealing with such maverick ICE officers in 2026. This just sucks of victim blaming.
But I accept you've adopted a pro-ICE stance which won't be altered by posters providing information that runs contrary to your position.

As you finally admitted, and I did specify("Only 2 or 3 or perhaps 4, agents made any physical contact with him.").
At no point did Pretti specifically try to help anyone, and certainly NOT before being pepper sprayed as people keep claiming. He went up to the agent, ignoring the woman. That is why and when he was pepper sprayed.
Clearly no threat? People on this planet are NOT mind-readers, and even if they were the deranged demeanour and behaviour of Pretti would indicate a possible threat. They had no idea of what he might do next.
They are TRAINED to respond, without having to get a Health & Safety Assessment, Disability impact assessment, criminal records check, and psych report for the person they're dealing with.
Nothing has happened by ICE, that wouldn't have likely happened around the World, with armed law enforcement in those SPECIFIC situations.
Chris Rock is American and was talking about the common sense things of how to behave when dealing with US armed law enforcement. Pretti broke each and every one of the applicable ideas in the video, and also had done so in a previous ICE encounter.
We don't know the reason, for the 2nd batch of shots, but that is IRRELEVANT. It is common in that situation for another officer to fire. DO THE RESEARCH.
ICE protestors are deranged. How else do you explain biting a finger off a federal agent?
I've adopted a Pro FACTS stance. Strange concept, I know.
ICE are NOT going around with handguns drawn and randomly shooting people. Very limited use in specific situations.


Was Pretti armed? Was he fully restrained and flat on the ground? Was he resisting? Did he heavily resist in a previous encounter with ICE? Did he go to help the woman and then was peppered sprayed? Or was it he went up to the agent and then was peppered sprayed? Was it 2 or 3 actively trying to restrain him, or was it 5 or 6 as you claimed?