So that's the problem with the nhs
26-01-2025, 13:04
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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26-01-2025, 13:47
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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It would have been worse under the Tories.
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Except it was not worse in England while they were in power. Where do you get these ideas from?
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26-01-2025, 13:54
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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Except it was not worse in England while they were in power. Where do you get these ideas from?
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From 2010 to 2024 whenever we’d criticise them on here the Tory fanboys would just give the stick answer of “it would be worse under Labour”. So I’m just trying that.
As for it not being worse in England over the same time, maybe take a look at waiting list levels for NHS England over that 14 year period.
The Tories do not have a good record of looking after the NHS.
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26-01-2025, 14:01
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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From 2010 to 2024 whenever we’d criticise them on here the Tory fanboys would just give the stick answer of “it would be worse under Labour”. So I’m just trying that.
As for it not being worse in England over the same time, maybe take a look at waiting list levels for NHS England over that 14 year period.
The Tories do not have a good record of looking after the NHS.
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The money wasn’t there, Russ, as you know. The criticism I would level at the Conservatives is that they did not tackle the waste and bureaucracy in the NHS and the Civil Service generally. The money saved could have been diverted to the frontline. This is the one significant thing Reeves has correctly identified, though, and good on her for admitting it. But will she do anything to address it? I’m not holding my breath.
Anyway, whatever. The English NHS has been performing better than the Scots or the Welsh versions. It will be interesting to see the comparisons after 4.5years. Will we in England sink to the level we see in Wales?
Let’s hope not.
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26-01-2025, 14:01
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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From 2010 to 2024 whenever we’d criticise them on here the Tory fanboys would just give the stick answer of “it would be worse under Labour”. So I’m just trying that.
As for it not being worse in England over the same time, maybe take a look at waiting list levels for NHS England over that 14 year period.
The Tories do not have a good record of looking after the NHS.
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If you posted links we might be able to
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26-01-2025, 14:08
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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The money wasn’t there, Russ, as you know. The criticism I would level at the Conservatives is that they did not tackle the waste and bureaucracy in the NHS and the Civil Service generally. The money saved could have been diverted to the frontline. This is the one significant thing Reeves has correctly identified, though, and good on her for admitting it. But will she do anything to address it? I’m not holding my breath.
Anyway, whatever. The English NHS has been performing better than the Scots or the Welsh versions. It will be interesting to see the comparisons after 4.5years. Will we in England sink to the level we see in Wales?
Let’s hope not.
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https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/key-statistics-nhs
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26-01-2025, 17:57
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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I don’t think anyone will accuse him of being the sharpest tool on the shed.
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That's so true Russ. In Westminster, there's a whole tool cabinet 
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27-01-2025, 13:53
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
IMHO the problem is the Doctors surgery's that are impossible to get through to and book an appointment..
So people go to A&E.
I mean everytime I phone I'm either told the queue is full and try later or I'm 30+ in the queue and press "8" to get a call back when you get to the right place in the queue
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27-01-2025, 18:43
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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IMHO the problem is the Doctors surgery's that are impossible to get through to and book an appointment..
So people go to A&E.
I mean everytime I phone I'm either told the queue is full and try later or I'm 30+ in the queue and press "8" to get a call back when you get to the right place in the queue
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I phone and normally get an appointment with in the same day. You get what you pay for 
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27-01-2025, 22:18
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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I phone and normally get an appointment with in the same day. You get what you pay for |
Is that a rare thumbs-up for the Welsh Government then?
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27-01-2025, 22:19
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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I phone and normally get an appointment with in the same day. You get what you pay for |
Can’t be too bad then.
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27-01-2025, 23:40
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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Is that a rare thumbs-up for the Welsh Government then?
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Probably not, probably just private, which is what this last 14 years have been about, inherit a system that has total public support and incredibly high satisfaction and deprive it of money, staff and grind it into the ground so far people want to go private, based on recent history it'll work too
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28-01-2025, 06:00
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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Is that a rare thumbs-up for the Welsh Government then?
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I assume he meant a private doctor.
I can access appointments with various doctors via work schemes.
The problem with them is that you dont get NHS prescriptions, only private.
I can book appointments with my own doctor online, or ring them up.
Next day is generally rare, esp in the winter months, same week is often possible, tho sometimes its a phone appointment initially.
I can usually book face to face about 2/3 weeks ahead, which is fine for routine stuff. I have one this week that I booked 2 weeks ago.
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28-01-2025, 08:35
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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IMHO the problem is the Doctors surgery's that are impossible to get through to and book an appointment..
So people go to A&E.
I mean everytime I phone I'm either told the queue is full and try later or I'm 30+ in the queue and press "8" to get a call back when you get to the right place in the queue
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This logic holds absolutely no sense , if your condition was serious enough to warrant going to A&E then you would go to A&E in the first place. There are other services available
A&E purpose ? the clue is in the name….
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28-01-2025, 15:12
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Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
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Is that a rare thumbs-up for the Welsh Government then?
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No it's getting what I pay for. ( DIRECTLY) 
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Probably not, probably just private, which is what this last 14 years have been about, inherit a system that has total public support and incredibly high satisfaction and deprive it of money, staff and grind it into the ground so far people want to go private, based on recent history it'll work too
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The trouble with the UK is ,people want ," free" health care , free schooling, free support for heating bills ,free pensions, support in cash terms for everything. Along with no taxes
for them just everyone else.
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