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Itshim 23-01-2025 18:48

So that's the problem with the nhs
 
Wales has too many hospitals and too many beds according to the Finance Minister Mark Drakeford.The former Labour first minister told the "For Wales, See Wales" podcast that Wales was "over hospitalised" and that more money should be spent on primary care.

Taf 23-01-2025 19:04

Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
 
That is Dripford-speak for "We don't have enough doctors or nurses".

thenry 23-01-2025 19:18

Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
 
How? Governments practically imported a nations worth of workers

Taf 23-01-2025 19:53

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36189921)
How? Governments practically imported a nations worth of workers

They must have all been scientists and engineers. :confused:

Itshim 23-01-2025 21:27

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36189921)
How? Governments practically imported a nations worth of workers

Welsh government drives them out:(

1andrew1 23-01-2025 22:49

Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
 
The workforce in the UK is 800,000 less than it was pre-pandemic. Early retirement, ageing population profile, etc.

Taf 24-01-2025 10:18

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189928)
Welsh government drives them out:(

At 20mph, or 50mph on the motorways.

Russ 24-01-2025 10:19

Re: So that's the problem with the nhs
 
They were words stupid words to use (he has form for that) but what he said has been completely taken out of context.

Itshim 24-01-2025 14:26

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36189955)
They were words stupid words to use (he has form for that) but what he said has been completely taken out of context.

Didn't think Mark ever thinks about context , just spouts rubbish.:D

Russ 24-01-2025 16:19

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189970)
Didn't think Mark ever thinks about context , just spouts rubbish.:D

I don’t think anyone will accuse him of being the sharpest tool on the shed.

What he meant was Wales relies too much on sending people to hospital when they could be treated by primary care, GPs and alternative methods.

He kind of has a point but realistically what the whole country needs are better equipped hospitals.

nomadking 24-01-2025 17:55

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How would increasing primary care reduce the number of beds and the waiting lists?
Where would all the GPs required come from?
Wales has too many hospitals, says Drakeford

Longest hospital waiting lists still rising (Wales)
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Nearly half of the two-year waits are for eye treatment or orthopaedics.
General surgery, dermatology - mostly patients in north Wales - and ear, nose and throat operations are the specialisms with the next longest waits.
...
When we look at only consultant-led specialisms, so we can compare with England, 24% are waiting more than a year in Wales, compared with 3% across the border.
More evidence of specialist hospital care being required.

OLD BOY 25-01-2025 09:05

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36189976)
I don’t think anyone will accuse him of being the sharpest tool on the shed.

What he meant was Wales relies too much on sending people to hospital when they could be treated by primary care, GPs and alternative methods.

He kind of has a point but realistically what the whole country needs are better equipped hospitals.

You could make exactly the same point in respect of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. We should be changing our emphasis to preventative methods and health care outside the hospital system wherever possible. The whole system needs streamlining. For example, if your GP says you need a scan, it should not be necessary to then go to the hospital for a second appointment with a hospital doctor or consultant. The appointment should be booked online by the GP, saving valuable hospital time.

It is not a valid excuse for the poor performance of the Welsh NHS compared with the other UK regions.

Itshim 25-01-2025 17:01

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36189977)
How would increasing primary care reduce the number of beds and the waiting lists?
Where would all the GPs required come from?
Wales has too many hospitals, says Drakeford

Longest hospital waiting lists still rising (Wales)
More evidence of specialist hospital care being required.

Or just, that over the last 20 odd years labour haven't a clue:dunce:

Russ 25-01-2025 17:44

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It would have been worse under the Tories.

Itshim 26-01-2025 11:42

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36190001)
It would have been worse under the Tories.

Really:confused:


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