Here comes the tax rises

[Russ]

As I recall it was only after the story broke as he was planning on having everything else “donated” seeing as he was only earning a pitiful £160,000 per annum as Prime Minister at the time.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

You sure you got those posts right? I mean you’ve already completely misread 2 in the last 24 hours.

2? Whatever, I at least recognise my errors.

Still if that’s how you get enjoyment these days, all the power to you. I’m sure you’ll find some form of satisfaction from Labour spaffing £32bn to their mates.

It’s not enjoyment, but a lot of people have not experienced a Labour government whilst having an adult brain.

All they know is Tories bad, Labour good, and whilst not in government it’s dead easy to be virtuous.

So now they are in government, and in record time been found out to be nasty, cronyist, bent and everything they accused the Tories of being…….I will indeed remind all the Labour fanboys at every opportunity.

[Russ]

If/when they get to the Tories level of cronyism (especially the bullshitting Boris era) then you’ll have a point.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Still, I guess it’s all about how you spin a story.

It is exactly that.

How much money he “spent”

He spent £112£, and is allowed to claim £30K, so spent £80K of other money…….

Whereas Starmer, enjoyed £100K ….

Anyway, as you’re not pro-Labour, just anti-Tory. You’ll see both for what they are.

[Russ]

Do keep in mind though that the standard Tory fanboy response when their party got caught with their pants down was always “well all politicians are crooked”.

You won’t mind them giving you that response each and every time will you?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

As I recall it was only after the story broke as he was planning on having everything else “donated” seeing as he was only earning a pitiful £160,000 per annum as Prime Minister at the time.

He should have applied for Sue Gray’s position…………..

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Originally Posted by Russ

You won’t mind them giving you that response each and every time will you?

I welcome it.


Holding up a mirror ……..and all that.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I welcome it.

You surprise me as being the type to accept a piss-poor cop-out as a response but I guess that’s your right.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

You surprise me as being the type to accept a piss-poor cop-out as a response but I guess that’s your right.

You surprise me as striving …strenuously, apparently to not come across as a typical Labour fanboy ………


You protested to much in your earlier post.

That’s exactly as how you come across, regardless of what’s in your bio.

Just own it.

You’ll go up a rung in my estimation…………..you’re now at….Rung 1.

[Russ]

So keeping in mind I’m bothered in the slightest about your ladder or where you shove it, I’ll remind you again what my signature has said for the past 8 months.

In fact if you can demonstrate one single post I have ever made where I’ve had a signature that encouraged anyone to vote for Labour (keeping in mind any vote for Labour from me would have a very different outcome from you doing so) then I’ll issue the same kind of humiliating apology post that you made yesterday.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

I’ll remind you again what my signature has said for the past 8 months.

I have a plaque on my front gate, says I love Jeremy Corbyn, been there 8 months at least.

But I take your point.

In fact if you can demonstrate one single post I have ever made where I’ve had a signature that encouraged anyone to vote for Labour (keeping in mind any vote for Labour from me would have a very different outcome from you doing so) then I’ll issue the same kind of humiliating apology post that you made yesterday.

Well…….your signature doesn’t really change post to post, so that’s a pointless statement,

If you think apologising is humiliating ….it really isn’t, if you’re capable of acknowledging your errors.


I thought you a man of god? If a man apologises to you sincerely, as I did, is forgiveness not in your heart , or do you choose to mock him?

Not very Christian.

[Russ]

I won’t tell you how to be an atheist, you don’t tell me how to be a Christian.

You’ve already misrepresented things I’ve said twice in 24 hours, are you going for the record here or something? I’ve voted Labour to keep the Tories OUT. It’s worked perfectly for me so far. That doesn’t make me a Labour fan. But if you’re going to criticise them, be sure to reference the posts you’ve made about the Tories doing the same or worse.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

I won’t tell you how to be an atheist, you don’t tell me how to be a Christian.

That’s very Christian of you….god bless. ( #being Christian doesn’t make you nice, worthy, moral, or a good person)

I’m not sure what I am, Atheist seems a bit absolutist. I was raised Roman Catholic. In don’t know what I am, I just don’t believe in a god.

You’ve already misrepresented things I’ve said twice in 24 hours,

Twice? Not sure, but I apologised for what I acknowledged, many wouldn’t.

I’ve voted Labour to keep the Tories OUT. It’s worked perfectly for me so far. That doesn’t make me a Labour fan

Makes you an absolute fair target for criticism.

. But if you’re going to criticise them, be sure to reference the posts you’ve made about the Tories doing the same or worse.

I may do……..might not .


Doesn’t matter anymore, Labour are in power.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Russ

I’ve voted Labour to keep the Tories OUT. It’s worked perfectly for me so far. That doesn’t make me a Labour fan. But if you’re going to criticise them, be sure to reference the posts you’ve made about the Tories doing the same or worse.

Personally I think that they are both as bad as each other. Labour focused on the things the Tories were doing, when they were in opposition, because first of all that's the point of being in opposition, but secondly and more crucially what they were doing was wrong. It is kind of important that they were probably also doing the same and would do it in power too, but, they had much fewer MPs at the time and so it was presumably easier for them anyway.


In regards to the rest of the point, whilst tactical voting is a thing, and whilst many others probably hold a similar stance and voting to keep someone out rather than someone in, this is an issue when the other party are not without major issues themselves. Labour are no better or worse than the Tories. In fact with a middle of the road leader like Blair or Starmer as opposed to it being someone like Nandy or Rayner, or even someone more hard-left like McDonnell, Abbott or Corbyn, they are incredibly similar, but with the socialist undertones within the party always there (perhaps in a similar way to the ERG wing in the Tory party but on the other side). But they are the only two parties who could make a government so it happens. I'm reminded that one's enemy's enemy isn't necessarily one's friend...

[papa smurf]

Keir Starmer’s at it again helping himself to another freebie, he's even brought his mates along

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ootball-ticket

My issue is we have been duped into thinking it has to be Labour or Tory and to forget any other party.