20mph is just the start.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

OB asked a question



I replied



I’m not sure how answering a question with a link and the page number within that document can be seen as a "ritual attempt to take someone down"

However, in response to your comment re that link, can I point out you may have missed the info in this link I posted at 16:37 today, two hours before your post - this was the source for the information in first post.

https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloa...issions-report



Your <snip>

a) quoted incorrect sources (the sources you quoted were for the study above the one you provided a <snip> from)
b) missed out the first conclusion, such stated "It would be incorrect to assume a 20MPH speed restriction would be detrimental to ambient air quality, as the effect on vehicle emissions are mixed", the fourth conclusion "it is accepted that lower speed limits impacts on brake and tyre wear emissions resulting in lower demand for power at lower speeds which is likely to be beneficial to emissions of this type", and also the supporting commentary in the second paragraph.



Original document for completeness

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...qyReyJ0_8gzM0Q

Word Salad.

and who in the UK uses the term "tail pipe?"

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by jfman

The majority of whom?

I'm not even convinced he speaks for the majority of his MPs these days.

Must admit I hadn't heard of 15 minute cities until Rishi brought them to my attention last week. They sound brilliant. What's not to like?

I really don't understand the uproar against 15-minute cities.

I live in London and within 15 mins from me I have supermarkets, a doctor's office, an overground and an underground station, places to eat, get coffee e.t.c. Obviously, that's a result of how densely populated London is, it can't be the case everywhere, but why wouldn't you want some amenities located within walking distance? Especially if it's a sub-urban town so you're not in nature but instead in a concrete and brick jungle of housing that requires you to drive to do anything?

Originally Posted by spiderplant

I'm not even convinced he speaks for the majority of his MPs these days.

Must admit I hadn't heard of 15 minute cities until Rishi brought them to my attention last week. They sound brilliant. What's not to like?

15 minute cities (or, a generation ago, ‘cities’) are a brilliant idea. The only ones who don’t think so are the ones who believe the UN/WEF/space lizards plan to use them to eventually ban people from travelling anywhere at all.

What’s worrying about Rishi Sunak weighing in on them is that while it’s unlikely he believes in a grand conspiracy, he is perfectly willing to humour those that do in order to win votes.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

I'm not even convinced he speaks for the majority of his MPs these days.

Must admit I hadn't heard of 15 minute cities until Rishi brought them to my attention last week. They sound brilliant. What's not to like?

It'll be a damp squib when the polls reveal it moved the dial a fraction of one per cent. Back to STOP THE BOATS!

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Damien

I really don't understand the uproar against 15-minute cities.

Policy in Wales, all part of the 15-minute cities:

Our Town Centre First initiative supports the long-term ambition for 30% of the Welsh population to work from, or closer to, home. This will be done through repurposing vacant buildings into co-working hubs, encouraging public sector organisations to set up offices in town centre locations

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...2022to2027.pdf

Originally Posted by Taf

Policy in Wales, all part of the 15-minute cities:



https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...2022to2027.pdf

Which simply confirms they’re doing it, but doesn’t tell us why we should think it’s a bad thing.

I’ve absolutely loved my move into a town and a new job that’s only a mile and a half from my new house. We can get most of what we need within 10 minutes’ drive, or if it’s not a big load and we’re not in a hurry, a 20-30 minute walk in. I’m walking more, I’m fitter at 50 than I was at 40, and missus is very jealous that she has an hour long commute while mine’s mere minutes. If she can eventually find work here instead, she’ll grab it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

It'll be a damp squib when the polls reveal it moved the dial a fraction of one per cent. Back to STOP THE BOATS!

The polling thus so far suggest that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The RAC disagree with you

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...ing-distances/

20MPH 12 metres (3 car lengths)
30MPH 23 metres (6 car lengths)

Nearly twice the distance

So you think anyone who supports a 20MPH zone outside a school is sub-normal?

I have never understood why the 20mph school zone is 24hrs, if they say it's because people have to get used to it then it's the drivers who can't differentiate between midday and midnight who are sub-normal

Originally Posted by Mr K

ULEZ was his idea too. Tbf he to be fair he thought all these things would be popular which is the only reason he did anything.

I'm not against ULEZ specifically but its implementation has caused unnecessary damage to small businesses and it's obvious the cameras are going to be used as part of road charging by the mile in the near to mid future

Originally Posted by jfman

It'll be a damp squib when the polls reveal it moved the dial a fraction of one per cent. Back to STOP THE BOATS!

They haven't even got enough about them to win the war on woke

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Taf

Policy in Wales, all part of the 15-minute cities:

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...2022to2027.pdf

It’ll never take off in England. They love the taste of boot that much and the their betters have profits to offshore by renting out commercial premises.

What has 15 minute cities got to do with 20mph limits ?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

What has 15 minute cities got to do with 20mph limits ?

It’s all the same WEF/New World Order conspiracy to lock people up in their miserable existence. Like removing the right of people to live and work overseas, but overseas is the next village.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s all the same WEF/New World Order conspiracy to lock people up in their miserable existence. Like removing the right of people to live and work overseas, but overseas is the next village.

Nobody would object to the concept of having everything you need within a 15min walk of your house.

As long as they're not closing roads, fining people for using cars or limiting an individuals car use.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nobody would object to the concept of having everything you need within a 15min walk of your house.

As long as they're not closing roads, fining people for using cars or limiting an individuals car use.

What is your definition of closing roads? We already have quite a lot of pedestrianised roads in city centres.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

ULEZ was his idea too. Tbf he to be fair he thought all these things would be popular which is the only reason he did anything.

Maybe so, for Inner London, which made sense. But extending it to Outer London was Khan’s brilliant idea.