17-11-2019, 15:22
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well you also have to question those that vote for the sale of the NHS, tax cuts for the rich, giving our young people no hope/dead end zero hours contracts, continued privatisation of vital public sevices, secretly being funded by Russian friends and supported by Trump.
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Indeed !. I'm curious which of these assertions are fake. We'd have a better idea if the Tories hadn't conveniently refused to publish the intelligence agency report.
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17-11-2019, 15:29
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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There are Still a few pacers knocking about, but they are few and far between.
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17-11-2019, 15:42
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
They are few and far between now, but they should have been gone long before now. Privatisation began in 1996 yet the wholesale replacement of the Northern and Transpennine fleets with new rolling stock designed and procured specifically for their services (I.e. not used stock cascaded from the southeastern franchises) has only properly got underway in the last 5 years.
Breaking up British Rail and devising a system of getting private investment back into the railway was a good idea in principle but there should have been a sharper focus on the social utility of the railway and not simply on where the quickest and easiest returns on investment are.
Old Boy’s unqualified comment about privatisation delivering shiny new trains is simply untrue.
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17-11-2019, 16:37
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Pierre
There are Still a few pacers knocking about, but they are few and far between.
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Everyone we seem to get is a Pacer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edge-to-retire
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17-11-2019, 17:09
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well you also have to question those that vote for the sale of the NHS, tax cuts for the rich, giving our young people no hope/dead end zero hours contracts, continued privatisation of vital public sevices, secretly being funded by Russian friends and supported by Trump.
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No "sale" of the NHS. Labour did more "privatisation" of the NHS. The poor aren't paying tax, so how it it be cut? So who should be doing these "dead end" jobs? Zero hours contracts previously existed in a different form. It was the minimum wage laws that "introduced" them. Secretly funded? Not so secretly, if you apparently know the details. Perhaps you'd like to share those "secrets". 
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17-11-2019, 17:13
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
Jennifer Arcuri: Boris Johnson cast me aside as if I were a gremlin
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-17/...ere-a-gremlin/
interview on itv exposure at 11pm
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17-11-2019, 17:26
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Dave42
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This is getting boring now, yet more irrelevant smears. Won't change peoples stances on who to vote and by the way, Labour is still disastrous.
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17-11-2019, 17:43
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well you also have to question those that vote for the sale of the NHS, tax cuts for the rich, giving our young people no hope/dead end zero hours contracts, continued privatisation of vital public sevices, secretly being funded by Russian friends and supported by Trump.
Hobson's choice ?
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You are seriously equating the above with what stalinists and maoists want to inflict on this country?!
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17-11-2019, 17:46
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Mick
This is getting boring now, yet more irrelevant smears. Won't change peoples stances on who to vote and by the way, Labour is still disastrous.
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both are disastrous
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17-11-2019, 18:03
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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You are seriously equating the above with what stalinists and maoists want to inflict on this country?!
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Ed Miliband's energy cap proposal was called a 'Marxist plot' by the Tories. They then implemented the same thing ! Maybe the Marxists in the Tory party needed to be rooted out ? All these labels are lazy smears of unimaginative tabloid journalists prompted by their paymasters.
I don't see anything Marxist/Stalinist/Maoist in policies like making sure everyone gets basic dental care, I'll have a look in my copy of Das Kapital but I don't think Marx proposed anything on the issue 
Last edited by Mr K; 17-11-2019 at 18:08.
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17-11-2019, 18:37
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Ed Miliband's energy cap proposal was called a 'Marxist plot' by the Tories. They then implemented the same thing ! Maybe the Marxists in the Tory party needed to be rooted out ? All these labels are lazy smears of unimaginative tabloid journalists prompted by their paymasters.
I don't see anything Marxist/Stalinist/Maoist in policies like making sure everyone gets basic dental care, I'll have a look in my copy of Das Kapital but I don't think Marx proposed anything on the issue |
Wasn't the same thing. Milliband proposed a complete freeze on prices, regardless of increases in costs. The cap changes with conditions, and only applies to those on standard variable tariffs. May was "rooted out", finally.
It's only for dental check-ups, not dental care.
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17-11-2019, 18:51
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Wasn't the same thing. Milliband proposed a complete freeze on prices, regardless of increases in costs. The cap changes with conditions, and only applies to those on standard variable tariffs. May was "rooted out", finally.
It's only for dental check-ups, not dental care.
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It's basically the same thing, interfering with the market... Our energy pricing is a scandal, making the poor on pre payment meters pay most for their energy is pervese.
The free dental care covers band 1 ie some treatment, scale/polish & x-rays. It might also pick up oral cancer. This isn't communist it's something any civilised first world affluent country should be doing.
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17-11-2019, 19:04
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It's basically the same thing, interfering with the market... Our energy pricing is a scandal, making the poor on pre payment meters pay most for their energy is pervese.
The free dental care covers band 1 ie some treatment, scale/polish & x-rays. It might also pick up oral cancer. This isn't communist it's something any civilised first world affluent country should be doing.
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Are pre-payment meters more costly? How much of any "extra cost" is purely down to paying off previous debts?
The dental charges are already fixed, ie subsidised. In an affluent country, the people pay, not the state. A scale/polish isn't going to stop people getting to the stage of needing A&E, which this proposal is meant to be aimed at.
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17-11-2019, 19:09
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Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
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Are pre-payment meters more costly? How much of any "extra cost" is purely down to paying off previous debts?
The dental charges are already fixed, ie subsidised. In an affluent country, the people pay, not the state. A scale/polish isn't going to stop people getting to the stage of needing A&E, which this proposal is meant to be aimed at.
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Ofcom had a review over 2 years ago and found they were generally more expensive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40848021
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...gy-meters.html
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